The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Thread Started on Feb 5, 2012, 9:36am »
I was hunting around youtube a few days ago when I came across the full version of Escape from the Bronx, AKA Escape 2000. In its original uncut form it's a much more violent and occasionally gory film (though not unwatchable), but I was interested to see what happened to Toblerone and his crew, who just disappear from the end of the MST'd version.
As was probably to be expected, the big guy doesn't make it out alive. He's shot dead by Henry Silva, with Bird Lady and Walker Texas Ranger also taking a bullet along the way. It got me wondering if BBI were responsible for cutting his death scene and if so why, considering that they were clearly quite fond of the character. I guess the print they were using could have already been edited but it isn't a particularly violent scene considering some of the stuff that did survive into the episode.
Also getting dropped was the death of Hoffman, the scheming deputy of the Big Evil Corporation. After he says his goodbyes to Henry Silva and driving off, his car gets blown up Danger Death Ray style.
But, yeah, that was Escape 2000 and what happened to Toblerone. I was just wondering if anyone else could point to any other deleted scenes that tie up loose ends in other episodes?
Oh, and here's the uncut Escape from the Bronx. Toblerone's Last Stand is at 1.20.00 exactly;
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Re: The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Reply #1 on Feb 5, 2012, 12:47pm »
Probably the biggest loose end of an episode of MST3K are the deleted scenes from Sidehackers. When you watch the MST3K episode suddenly Ross Hagen/Rommel is running around beaten up and we have to be informed by the SoL crew that his girlfriend is dead.
The scenes that were cut are of a rape and murder of Rommel's girlfriend. The Brains didn't see it until they had already selected it as an episode. So they cut it out and left us scratching our heads. From that point forward they started pre-screening all the episodes.
The scenes in question start at the end of the first clip below and run on into the second clip.
I can't find any clips online, but in Zombie Nightmare the frizzle haired punk who ran over the beefy guy and started the plot rolling died off-screen in the MST3K version. You see him bothering a girl and suddenly it cuts to a shot of the girl talking to the police. What actually happened is the zombie came in and pushed a baseball bat through the guy's chest.
They showed far more gory material in The Incredible Melting Man, but perhaps in season 7 they thought that they may as well show gore since they were getting kicked off Comedy Central.
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Re: The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Reply #2 on Feb 7, 2012, 2:15am »
Escape 2000 is a pretty good flick actually, the gore like mentioned, even the music especially when they discover Strike. Ah i miss the post apocalyptic 80s.
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Re: The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Reply #3 on Feb 8, 2012, 2:58am »
Man, if you check the original script for Hamlet as Shakespeare wrote it, it looks like lotsa stuff was cut. Fortenbras, for instance.
Seriously, though, I want to nominate Commando Cody in Radar Men From The Moon. I've always been a fan of that series, and was able to pick up some uncut VHSs of the entire serial to watch. Considering the fact that the Brains just ended the story midway through, it's kind of fun to watch the whole thing and see how Cody and friends manage to repeatedly thwart the Moon invaders. Not technically "great cinema" but it was nice to get some closure.
Re: The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Reply #4 on Feb 8, 2012, 3:18am »
I got sort of intrigued with the Undersea Kingdom, and I got a DVD of the entire series. My thinking must have been, How bad can it be? Very bad indeed.
Out of curiosity: is it very bad in an enjoyable way like Commando Cody, or would I be better off not searching for it as well?
No not at all. IF you like the old cliffhangers like Commando Cody, then you will like the entire Undersea Kingdom. It has the same effects and production values as the typical cliffhangers like Flash Gordon, Commando Cody, etc. IF you liked those you will like U.K.
Out of curiosity: is it very bad in an enjoyable way like Commando Cody, or would I be better off not searching for it as well?
After having seen "Undersea Kingdom", I'll point out one major problem that it shares with "Commando Cody": these episodes were not meant to be viewed all at once. When you do that, it's punishing.
And after a while, it just gets redundant. There is, however, a scene where Crash is spread-eagled on the loud tank-type thing in his little bathing suit where you can apparently see his pubes (I didn't dare to go back and check) and if that sort of thing turns you on, by all means!
Oh, and you'll probably end up disliking Billy even more.
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Re: The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Reply #9 on Feb 10, 2012, 1:39pm »
Regarding Escape 2000: Actually the deaths of Rat Woman and the deputy corporate guy are shown in the episode. I watched the it the other day and found myself really getting into the movie this time. I think the death of Toblerone would be too depressing for them to show. Antonio Sabato should never die in a movie. Toblerone's lusty spirit shall live on forever in our hearts and minds AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Out of curiosity: is it very bad in an enjoyable way like Commando Cody, or would I be better off not searching for it as well?
After having seen "Undersea Kingdom", I'll point out one major problem that it shares with "Commando Cody": these episodes were not meant to be viewed all at once. When you do that, it's punishing.
I wouldn't really call that a problem, so much as I'd call it an aspect of that type of story telling mechanic. It's kind of like saying that the problem with books is that they have very poor graphics and no sound or that the problem with broadcast television is that it pays for itself with advertising. The serial shorts were designed to be the icing on the cake that was a person's regular trip to the movie theater, not the cake itself. You primarily go for the main feature, but if you were at all intrigued by the short you saw last week then another enjoyable movie that you're not sure if you want to see might be spiced up a bit by a short film before it since it'll provide a bit of closure for the next week.
My recommendation is to spread viewings of serial shorts out over the viewings of other movies. Any more than two or three at once will start to feel redundant (I faced a similar issue when watching the first season of Rocky and Bullwinkle in its entirety. Fun stuff, but not meant for one sitting what with all the recaps and reminders between episodes.)
Now, in a desperate attempt to stay on the original topic: I heard once that Squirm made slightly more sense in the unedited version, but I've never double checked (mostly because I've never had the chance.) Anyone know one way or the other?
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Re: The Death of Toblerone (and other loose ends) « Reply #11 on Feb 11, 2012, 12:41pm »
Ever wonder what happens to Deaney (John Saxon) in Mitchell? Since in 512 he just sorta disppears halfway through?
Mitchell kills him by bashing his head in with a rock after a dune buggy chase. It's edited from the episode, but when Joe Don Baker is shown in the beginning credits ("now he looks like a small mouth bass. . .) the scene they're showing in slow motion is Mitchell slamming the rock down on Deaney's head.
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After having seen "Undersea Kingdom", I'll point out one major problem that it shares with "Commando Cody": these episodes were not meant to be viewed all at once. When you do that, it's punishing.
I wouldn't really call that a problem, so much as I'd call it an aspect of that type of story telling mechanic. It's kind of like saying that the problem with books is that they have very poor graphics and no sound or that the problem with broadcast television is that it pays for itself with advertising. The serial shorts were designed to be the icing on the cake that was a person's regular trip to the movie theater, not the cake itself. You primarily go for the main feature, but if you were at all intrigued by the short you saw last week then another enjoyable movie that you're not sure if you want to see might be spiced up a bit by a short film before it since it'll provide a bit of closure for the next week.
Hence why I said they weren't meant to be watched in this fashion, rather than suggesting that they were all terrible and should be avoided because they're so repetitious that you could watch six episodes or one episode six times and it would be essentially the same thing. After the first two episodes, Undersea Kingdom, for the next several episodes, is little more than Crash and the gang either being captured, escaping and being chased, or Crash wrestling someone. Much like Commando Cody was filled with lab fights and chases that end with someone jumping out of their vehicle. And it's not like watching a string of episodes of a television show, unless the show had a nasty habit of having pretty much exactly the same thing happen for half the season's episodes.
It's essential to remember this if you go looking to watch these serials. I find it very difficult to believe that anyone is going to have the discipline to watch these the way they were originally intended, especially when they're all available at once and make abundant use of cliffhangers.
Anyway, in Red Zone Cuba, that "neck-breaking jump cut" was not in the original film. Does anyone know if that was a feature of the Brains' specific copy of the movie, or did they make that cut on their own? Terribly naughty of them, if so.
Now, in a desperate attempt to stay on the original topic: I heard once that Squirm made slightly more sense in the unedited version, but I've never double checked (mostly because I've never had the chance.) Anyone know one way or the other?
I have Squirm on DVD. If you let me know which parts specifically you are confused about I can try to sort it out with another viewing.
Regarding Escape 2000: Actually the deaths of Rat Woman and the deputy corporate guy are shown in the episode.
Rat Woman's is, yes (but I was talking about Bird Woman, the Stevie-Nicks-alike covered in feathers who was part of Toblerone's crew), but the deputy's definitely isn't. They blow up a toy car that he's meant to be in, so Mike and the bots would have been all over that if it had made the episode.
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