Hi everyone, I've taken it upon myself to create a new "Likelihood For Rhino Releases" thread. I've done a lot of research and have tried to make it as accurate as possible, but there are still holes to fill and corrections to make. If anyone has any information, please let me know. Movie rights can become complicated to research; there's the actual copyright, TV rights, and then there's home video rights (which is what I'm interested in). Comedy Central/Sci Fi Channel only had to negotiate for TV rights. Also, for the most part, the serials and shorts are PD.
It can be really hard to find information on home video rights, so in some cases I could only list the copyright holder, or TV rights holder. _______________________________________________
SEASON ONE:
107 - Robot Monster Image Entertainment (licensed from Wade Williams). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <NOT LIKELY>
108 - The Slime People Rhino (licensed from Medallion TV?). *DVD released by Rhino Home Video (OUT OF PRINT)* <LIKELY>
109 - Project Moonbase Image Entertainment (licensed from Wade Williams). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <NOT LIKELY>
110 - Robot Holocaust MGM. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
111 - Moon Zero Two Warner. *DVD released by Warner* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
112 - Untamed Youth Warner. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
113 - The Black Scorpion Warner. *DVD released by Warner* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
201- Rocketship X-M Image Entertainment (licensed from Wade Williams). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <NOT LIKELY>
203- Jungle Goddess VCI (licensed from Kit Parker Films). UPDATE: According to SF, Kit Parker films only had the U.S. rights to the Lipper films, while Warner Brothers has the Canadian rights, so that looks like it may complicate things. *DVD released by VCI w/ "Thunder in the Pines"* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
205- Rocket Attack USAnot sure yet. I found this film was in the Medallion film library (which included Wild World of Batwoman and The Crawling Hand) which was bought by the Parasol Group/Applause Networks Inc according to the most recent copyright. Columbia-Tristar released this on VHS in 1990. <LIKELY>
208- Lost Continent Image Entertainment (licensed from Wade Williams). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <NOT LIKELY>
210- King Dinosaursee #203 VCI (licensed from Kit Parker Films). *Released on DVD by VCI Video w/ "The Jungle"* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
213- Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster Sony (licensed from Toho). *DVD released by Sony* <WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER>
302 - Gamera Kadokawa. According to Brian from Shout Factory "I can tell you to take Gamera out of any foreseeable lists. We've tried and tried, but the Japanese really take their man-in-suit pictures seriously. It doesn't look they want anyone poking fun and, sadly, that means that episode may never see the light of DVD laser." <EXTREMELY UNLIKELY>
304 - Gamera vs. Barugon see #302.
305 - Stranded in Space CBS Paramount Television. They might be willing to license it to Shout Factory, since it was just a failed TV pilot/TV movie. FVI has the copyright on their "additions." <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
306 - Time of the Apes Tsuburaya Productions. Not sure if the issue with the Gamera films applies here, though we can probably assume so. <NOT LIKELY>
307 - Daddy-O Arkoff Estate. <NOT LIKELY>
308 - Gamera vs. Gaos see #302
309 - The Amazing Colossal Man Susan Hart (Nicholson Estate). <EXTREMELY UNLIKELY>
Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #1 on Jul 14, 2006, 6:18pm »
SEASON FOUR:
401 - Space Travelers (aka Marooned) Sony. *DVD released by Sony* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
403 - City Limitsnot sure yet. FVI/INI (whoever owns the FVI catalog), possibly Aaron Lipstadt (the director). *DVD released by Substance/Jef Films (unauthorized)* <LIKELY>
405 - Being From Another Planet aka Time Walker Shout Factory [under license from New Horizon]. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
411 - The Magic Sword MGM. *DVD released by MGM* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
412 - Hercules and the Captive Women TaurusFilm GmbH & Company has a restored copyright listed. *DVD released by Retromedia & others* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
416 - Fire Maidens from Outer Space Lions Gate. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
417- Crash of Moons PD. *DVD released by Alpha Video & others* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
418 - Attack of the The Eye Creatures Susan Nicholson Hofheinz appears to have a copyright listed. *DVD released by Retromedia* <NOT LIKELY>
420 - The Human Duplicatorsnot sure yet. Possibly Warner. VCL Licensing has the most recent copyright listed. Made by Woolner Brothers Pictures (who have the original copyright). Released on VHS by Star Classics as Jaws of the Alien. <POSSIBLE/LIKELY>
422 - Day the Earth Froze Rigma America Corporation/Mosfilm Studios. *DVD released by Retromedia (assuming AIP version is PD)* <LIKELY>
423 - Bride of the Monster Image Entertainment (licensed from Wade Williams). Though Legend Films recent DVD suggests the film may be PD afterall. *DVD released by Image Entertainment and Legend Films* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
502 - Hercules Delta Ventures, Ltd. (The Italian rights holders managed to restore their copyright). *DVD released by Retromedia, etc.. assuming PD* <LIKELY>
505 - Magic Voyage of Sinbad aka Sadko Ruscico/Mosfilms. Retromedia released the AIP version of this w/ "The Day the Earth Froze" (assuming it is PD). *DVD released by Image Entertainment (out of print)* <POSSIBLE>
601 - Girls Town Lionsgate/Republic Entertainment. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
602 - Invasion USA Synapse Video (movie seems to be PD though). *DVD released by Synapse* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
605 - Colossus and the Headhunters PD. Original released by AIP, the rights have surely reverted back to their original owners. *DVD released by Mill Creek Entertainment & Alpha Video* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
608 - Code Name: Diamond Head CBS Paramount Television or Lions Gate (who have the most recent copyright). Since this was just a failed TV pilot, it has 0 market potential UnMSTied on DVD, so there is a small glimmer of hope I think. <POSSIBLE>
610 - The Violent Years Sinister Cinema/Gregory J Luce. He also has copyrights registered for “The Dead Talk Back” and “The Sinister Urge." *DVD released by Something Weird Video & Alpha* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
611 - Last of the Wild Horsessee #203. VCI (licensed from Kit Parker Films). <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
614 - San Francisco International Universal. Shout has already licensed several TV series from Universal and is distributed by them, so I believe the likelyhood of any of these failed TV-pilots are more likely (combined with Shout's experience in this area). <POSSIBLE>
615 - Kitten with a Whip Universal. *DVD release coming soon via DVD-on-demand service on Amazon* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
617 - The Sword and the Dragon aka Ilya Muromets Image Entertainment (licensed from Rusico). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <POSSIBLE>
618 - High School Big Shot PD. *DVD released by Something Weird Video & Alpha Video* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
620 - Danger! Death Ray aka Nest of Spies Films Around the World / Hilltop Films Inc. Video Mercury also has a copyright registered for the original Italian version. <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
621 - Beast of Yucca Flats Image Entertainment (licensed from Wade Williams). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <NOT LIKELY>
623 - The Amazing Transparent Man MGM. *DVD released by Alpha & others (assuming PD)* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
624 - Samson vs. The Vampire Womennot sure yet. Rafael Garcia Travesi/Authors Rights Restoration Corporation has a restored copyright listed. Its possible Vas has the video rights (they've released a bunch of Santo titles to DVD). *DVD released by Image Entertainment (out of print)* <LIKELY>
702 - The Brute Man Image Entertainment. *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <POSSIBLE>
703 - Death Stalker and the Warriors From Hell New Horizons. Shout Factory said Corman has "no interest" in the MST3k version.. yet. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
704 - The Incredible Melting Man MGM. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #2 on Jul 15, 2006, 10:49am »
SEASON EIGHT:
801 - Revenge of the Creature Universal. *DVD released by Universal* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
802 - Leech Woman Universal. *DVD released by Universal* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
803 - Mole People Universal. *DVD released by Universal* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
804 - The Deadly Mantis Universal. *DVD released by Universal* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
805 - The Thing That Wouldn’t Die Universal. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
806 - The Undead Arkoff Estate. <NOT LIKELY>
807 - Terror from the Year 5000 Susan Hart. <EXTREMELY UNLIKELY>
808 - The She Creature Lions Gate (licensed from the Arkoff Estate). *DVD released by Lions Gate* <NOT LIKELY>
809 - I Was a Teenage Werewolf Susan Hart. <EXTREMELY UNLIKELY>
813 - Jack Frost aka Father Frost Image Entertainment (licensed from Ruscico/Gorky Film Studio). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <POSSIBLE>
814 - Riding with Death aka Code Name Minus One and Gemini Man Universal. Shout Factory might be able to license it, since they licensed Swamp Thing from Universal. see #614. <POSSIBLE>
815 - Agent from H.A.R.M. Universal. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
817 - Horror of Party Beach Dark Sky. *DVD released by Dark Sky* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
818 - Devil Doll Image Entertainment (licensed from Galaworldfilm Productions Limited). *DVD released by Image Entertainment* <POSSIBLE>
819 - Invasion of the Neptune Men Dark Sky. *DVD released by Dark Sky w/ Prince of Space* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
901 - The Projected Man Universal. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
903 - The Puma Man Indoamericana Film Ltd. Wow, even SF can't track down who in the hell owns this! <POSSIBLE>
905 - The Deadly Bees Paramount. Legend films has licensed several catalog titles from Paramount to release on DVD, which raises the likelyhood that Shout will be able to sublicense this movie from them, or directly license titles from Paramount. *DVD to be released by Legend Films* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
906 - The Space Children Paramount. see 905. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
909 - Gorgo VCI. If VCI owned the TV rights when this episode aired (only twice), then we can probably forget about getting this episode released. *DVD released by VCI* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
911 - Devil Fish Lions Gate. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
912 - The Screaming Skull MGM. Also, I’ve been told the music in the Gumby short is not PD, so this may also be a problem. <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
913 - Quest of the Delta Knightsnot sure yet. Dream Entertainment Ltd has the most recent copyright. Plaza Entertainment released a VHS in 1999. <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
1007 - Track of the Moonbeastnot sure yet. Whoever owns Prism Entertainment's library or Video Voice Inc/Bedmont Enterprises (who have the most recent copyright). I couldn't find any information on "Video Voice Inc" or "Bedmont Enterprises," so I'm not sure if they're legit or not. Any information on them would be greatly appreciated! *DVD released by Brentwood, Millcreek, etc (assuming PD)* <EXTREMELY-LIKELY>
1010 - It Lives by Night aka The Bat People MGM. *DVD released by MGM* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
1012 - Squirm MGM. *DVD released by MGM* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
1013 - Diabolik Paramount. *DVD released by Paramount* <POSSIBLE/NOT LIKELY>
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Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #3 on Jul 15, 2006, 11:26am »
Van Hagar has almost this exact same thing, but he says he's given up on it so I guess it's cool. Nice list, though you accidently called season nine season ten.
Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #8 on Jul 15, 2006, 6:19pm »
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Van Hagar has almost this exact same thing,
Not really, quite a bit of his information was wrong/out of date. (Which is by no means trying to insult Van Hagar of course).
He is absolutely correct, although I was in the process of changing after you gave me some more info. My list was off. WAY BETTER and more accurate job I'm sure. Good job man.
Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #9 on Jul 16, 2006, 9:52am »
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Not really, quite a bit of his information was wrong/out of date. (Which is by no means trying to insult Van Hagar of course).
He is absolutely correct, although I was in the process of changing after you gave me some more info. My list was off. WAY BETTER and more accurate job I'm sure. Good job man.
Thanks VH.
Do you think this could be stickied? That way it doesn't get lost in the ocean of threads.
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Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #10 on Jul 16, 2006, 11:56am »
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He is absolutely correct, although I was in the process of changing after you gave me some more info. My list was off. WAY BETTER and more accurate job I'm sure. Good job man.
Thanks VH.
Do you think this could be stickied? That way it doesn't get lost in the ocean of threads.
The thing about our current sticky situation is that there are a few admins that feel that Gen has too many stickies as it is. That why a few were moved to Torgo's Trades a while back, because it was getting a little too crowded in here (plus they seem a little more at home there).
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Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #12 on Jul 16, 2006, 1:20pm »
Isn't there possibly still a problem with all of the so-called Sandy Frank movies due to the English-language dub? For instance, Gamera's original U.S. release was by a film distributor (can't remember which one) in 1966. Their rights ran out after 20 years in 1986 (BTW, this version is the one getting PD releases), so Sandy Frank Entertainment acquired the U.S. rights and released their own version with their own English dub. This is the version MST3K used, so there are two possibilities I can see:
(1) Even though Sandy Frank Entertainment doesn't have the rights to Gamera anymore, the dubbed soundtrack is their property, so unless it can be licensed from them, Rhino cannot release this episode (or any other Sandy Frank episode for that matter).
(2) Once Sandy Frank's rights to Gamera expired, their rights to their dub soundtrack also automatically expired too, allowing the dub track to be released by anyone now. (This possibility seems reasonable given that the 1966 dub is getting the PD-like releases without paying anyone royalties.)
Distributor-created dubs really seems to be a bit of a gray area in the copyright world.
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Re: Likelihood For Rhino Releases: New Edition! « Reply #13 on Jul 16, 2006, 3:44pm »
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Isn't there possibly still a problem with all of the so-called Sandy Frank movies due to the English-language dub? For instance, Gamera's original U.S. release was by a film distributor (can't remember which one) in 1966. Their rights ran out after 20 years in 1986 (BTW, this version is the one getting PD releases), so Sandy Frank Entertainment acquired the U.S. rights and released their own version with their own English dub. This is the version MST3K used, so there are two possibilities I can see:
(1) Even though Sandy Frank Entertainment doesn't have the rights to Gamera anymore, the dubbed soundtrack is their property, so unless it can be licensed from them, Rhino cannot release this episode (or any other Sandy Frank episode for that matter).
(2) Once Sandy Frank's rights to Gamera expired, their rights to their dub soundtrack also automatically expired too, allowing the dub track to be released by anyone now. (This possibility seems reasonable given that the 1966 dub is getting the PD-like releases without paying anyone royalties.)
Distributor-created dubs really seems to be a bit of a gray area in the copyright world.
Sandy Frank only produced the dubs for GAMERA and GAMERA VS. ZIGRA, (and maybe for GAMERA VS. GUIRON). BARUGON and GYAOS used Daei's international dubs. Zigra didn't have a dub before this, since it hadn't received a US release. Also, the uncut version of the first Gamera did not have a dub. I think Daei at the time did not have a copy of the NTA release, hence why SF just created a new dub that (except for the beginning/end credits) synced up to the Japanese version.
Even though SF produced some of the dubs, he wouldn't own them forever. Once the movie rights reverted, the dubs would either be sent back or destroyed (example: The Titra studio dubs used on the Godzilla films released by AIP). It wouldn't make sense to own materials for a movie you couldn't release (or didn't want to renew rights to).
If the dubs did become public domain, it wouldn't matter, since the movie was still copyrighted/owned by someone else. Neptune Media would license/eventually buy the Gamera films from Hearst Entertainment. They choose to find the original US version for the first Gamera films ("Gammera the Invincible"), likewise.. they used the AIP-TV dub for their widescreen VHS of Gamera vs. Guiron. The third title (each title had a seperate English version and a Japanese version tape) Neptune Media put out was Gamera vs. Zigra, which used the SF produced dub.
So, the myth that Sandy Frank owns the actual dubs is pretty much null and void. Hearst Entertainment would have owned them, and then Daei (or whoever bought the rights next) would have them.
The cheapie companies started releasing the old AIP-TV verisons of the Gamera films, assuming their were PD. This started with Retromedia, followed by Alpha, and many many others. Diamond Entertainment put out two of the SF versions (the quality is worse than an EP VHS).
As for Time of the Apes, Fugitive Alien I/II, and Mighty Jack... those dubs were produced by Sandy Frank (as far as I know). Their original creators, Tsuburaya Productions, have them now. Rhino could go to them and license those, which would be great.
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