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Post by yarg on Nov 22, 2006 21:14:32 GMT -5
This is a little off topic but I was wondering what the feud between Joel and Mallon was? I came to the show a little bit later (during the sci fi era) and tho I've caught up with most of the episodes I don't know about some of the trivia some of you guys that watched it earlier know. So yeah, why did Joel leave and what was the feud about? Creative control of the show and the property. I think the main thing was Joel didn't want to do an MST3K movie (there were offers for an MST3K movie as early as Season 3). It's interesting to read some of Joel's comments on the shows that aired after he left, he mentions stuff like the camera being in the wrong place and that it doesn't make sense because "Cambot's supposed to be filming the show." I bet there are a lot of little creative decisions that most people wouldn't notice.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Nov 22, 2006 23:23:25 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever met (or heard of) a truly brilliant creative talent who got along with a producer. Nor a truly great producer who cared.
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Post by gasdrawls on Nov 23, 2006 4:39:39 GMT -5
This is a little off topic but I was wondering what the feud between Joel and Mallon was? I came to the show a little bit later (during the sci fi era) and tho I've caught up with most of the episodes I don't know about some of the trivia some of you guys that watched it earlier know. So yeah, why did Joel leave and what was the feud about? Creative control of the show and the property. I think the main thing was Joel didn't want to do an MST3K movie (there were offers for an MST3K movie as early as Season 3). It's interesting to read some of Joel's comments on the shows that aired after he left, he mentions stuff like the camera being in the wrong place and that it doesn't make sense because "Cambot's supposed to be filming the show." I bet there are a lot of little creative decisions that most people wouldn't notice. Somehow I think Joel was least interested in the theater aspect of the series and was more concerned with the look and feel of the sets and the props. In most of the interviews he's done he hardly mentions the movies and states that he can't remember most of them himself, but it seems to be the idea behind the show that he was most proud of.
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Post by Shep on Nov 25, 2006 14:19:10 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever met (or heard of) a truly brilliant creative talent who got along with a producer. Nor a truly great producer who cared. Very true, Mr. A!
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Post by XerxesTheCat on Nov 25, 2006 21:07:33 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever met (or heard of) a truly brilliant creative talent who got along with a producer. Nor a truly great producer who cared. Jim Mallon was still better than most of the hacks nowadays. Or even back then. If you want to put it in an analogy sense: Jim Mallon was to Joel Hodgeson, what Eddie Selzer was to Chuck Jones.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Nov 26, 2006 18:00:58 GMT -5
Oh, I agree. My point was that the truly great producers don't really care about the "talent". They just know how to get the best out of them.
I think the results and the longevity of the show bear out that Mallon knew what he was doing. And I'm not at all surprised that brillaint talent like Joel (et al) didn't mesh well with Mallon.
The right mix of strong-willed, talented people can result in legendary art.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Dec 12, 2006 3:47:59 GMT -5
Let's see. He pissed off Josh Weinstein (who said he was pushed off the show by Mallon). Really disagreed with Joel and possibly pushed him off the show. Apparently pushed Trace off the show. Then pissed off Mike at the end. The only one I've heard have good things to say about Mallon so far has been Kevin Murphy, and they go far back. I really don't want to accuse a guy I don't know, on a thing I don't nearly all the facts to, but this is intresting.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Dec 12, 2006 4:13:42 GMT -5
Sorry to take this further off-topic, but how did he push Trace off the show? I hadn't heard that before.
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Post by Famous Mortimer on Dec 12, 2006 7:18:24 GMT -5
Creative control of the show and the property. I think the main thing was Joel didn't want to do an MST3K movie (there were offers for an MST3K movie as early as Season 3). It's interesting to read some of Joel's comments on the shows that aired after he left, he mentions stuff like the camera being in the wrong place and that it doesn't make sense because "Cambot's supposed to be filming the show." I bet there are a lot of little creative decisions that most people wouldn't notice. Somehow I think Joel was least interested in the theater aspect of the series and was more concerned with the look and feel of the sets and the props. In most of the interviews he's done he hardly mentions the movies and states that he can't remember most of them himself, but it seems to be the idea behind the show that he was most proud of. I think not being able to remember watching so many crappy movies (plus all the ones they probably watched in production meetings that never got past the first stage) is a healthy thing. Is it just that Joel was more an off-the-cuff riffer? A lot of my favourite moments of his seem completely improvised, and the whole process of watching and rewatching the bad movies to get the timing right didn't interest him all that much?
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Post by XerxesTheCat on Dec 12, 2006 18:51:17 GMT -5
Sorry to take this further off-topic, but how did he push Trace off the show? I hadn't heard that before. I don't know if that's true or not, about Jim alienating Trace. That was something Josh had said once to one of the people here who met him once. I don't know the details really.
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Post by MSTie500 on Dec 12, 2006 19:09:16 GMT -5
Mallon has to do his job and keep the show rolling, which undoubtably caused friction with the writers. He didn't write much, so the writers may have felt he was being too controlling over them. SN said it right, if Joel didn't want to go he wasn't going to go. As for Trace and Frank, if Mallon pressured them to go, they undoubtably would have gone to the fans about it. I think the simplest explanation is probably the best in this case, that those who left did so for personal reasons like running out of ideas or burnout.
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