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Post by Phantom Engineer on Sept 4, 2007 17:30:53 GMT -5
I resent being told that some things on an episode make "more sense if you visit the website." I shouldn't have to research A TV EPISODE! Hey, what does that say about our Esoteric Reference thread?
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Sept 7, 2007 0:43:31 GMT -5
I resent being told that some things on an episode make "more sense if you visit the website." I shouldn't have to research A TV EPISODE! Hey, what does that say about our Esoteric Reference thread? As Joel said, the right people will get it. Everyone else, look it up. Unless it's just plain bad storytelling, in which case there's no excuse for that.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Sept 15, 2007 12:20:35 GMT -5
I finally got through watching the series since last week. I'll write some more thoughts about it later, but my initial thoughts were that it was a great show. It has some flaws, but it still entertained me very, very well. I like how it initially started off as something more like the movie Unbreakable, almost an ordinary drama about normal people who discover they have powers, rather than a full-fledged comic book-style adventure. I wonder how many people are fans of the show and that movie. I feel that it developed well into more traditional territory later in the season, while still maintaining interesting story arcs for the most part. Hiro was a great character. He made me laugh the most (some of the mannerisms he had really remind me of people I know in real life), and he also showed good character development through the season. Peter would have to be my overall favorite character, though. I liked him before I found out he was more or less the central character (if there is one). The compassion he showed, and the fact that he was willing to sacrifice himself (at least according to what he believed at the time) were well portrayed, and he is just a really likable character. So, overall, I thought there were some flaws, but I really enjoyed what I saw. I think it's done a better job than Lost at this point, in terms of providing payoffs for the story arcs. Hopefully it can sustain itself this coming season.
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Post by wilson on Sept 15, 2007 12:30:09 GMT -5
I finally got through watching the series since last week. I'll write some more thoughts about it later, but my initial thoughts were that it was a great show. It has some flaws, but it still entertained me very, very well. I like how it initially started off as something more like the movie Unbreakable, almost an ordinary drama about normal people who discover they have powers, rather than a full-fledged comic book-style adventure. I wonder how many people are fans of the show and that movie. I feel that it developed well into more traditional territory later in the season, while still maintaining interesting story arcs for the most part. Hiro was a great character. He made me laugh the most (some of the mannerisms he had really remind me of people I know in real life), and he also showed good character development through the season. Peter would have to be my overall favorite character, though. I liked him before I found out he was more or less the central character (if there is one). The compassion he showed, and the fact that he was willing to sacrifice himself (at least according to what he believed at the time) were well portrayed, and he is just a really likable character. So, overall, I thought there were some flaws, but I really enjoyed what I saw. I think it's done a better job than Lost at this point, in terms of providing payoffs for the story arcs. Hopefully it can sustain itself this coming season. All well said ! Not sure I wanna' hear these "flaws", yet cautiously curious. hmmm yours, Noah Bennett
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Post by mrsphyllistorgo on Sept 15, 2007 12:50:11 GMT -5
Hey, what does that say about our Esoteric Reference thread? As Joel said, the right people will get it. Everyone else, look it up. Unless it's just plain bad storytelling, in which case there's no excuse for that. Yeah, I mean more the bad storytelling thing. If you don't get a riff, you can look it up but it doesn't ruin the episode for you. But it drives me crazy when a huge plot twist turns up out of nowhere that's not supported by anything you've seen on screen , and it turns out that it was developed in the online comic and than just plopped into the show. No, no, no. Either reintroduce the threads ON SCREEN or have completely separate stories online that have nothing to do with the storyline on screen, but NOT BOTH. I never bothered with Lost for this reason--by the time it had really caught on, it was already so complicated there was no reason for me to try to start watching it, and even if I'd rented the first season, they were including all this crap they'd developed on their website. I don't have this much time to spend doing research so I can understand what's going on on your TV show. Excuse me, were we supposed to do some reading for this movie?
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Post by mightyjack on Sept 15, 2007 13:07:29 GMT -5
Nice write up Cap. I too am unsure of the flaws though. I know the end fight had some holes but other than that?
Mrs. P - I just went on the webiste to see what you were talking about. And holy crap, there's like 50 chapters to wade through!
I never watched the show and felt like I was missing anything. But now I wonder if I did miss anything important. Damn it, I don't wanna study for my show.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Sept 15, 2007 13:27:39 GMT -5
I agree, I was going to say that I don't feel like I've missed anything just from the show itself. If I can keep it that way, that's fine. I don't mind if they introduce more stuff in the comic as long as I can understand the show just fine. I didn't even know there *was* a comic until I was almost through the series.
As far as flaws, the ones I've thought of have been alluded to - the acting isn't always the greatest (although I'm happy with it, and I don't think the flaws are in any of the main characters). The dialogue is sometimes a bit silly, but I can forgive that because of the nature of the show - dialogue in superhero comics is not typically great literature. The main problems I have with the plot of the show is that I think there were ways to get around the final showdown between Peter and Sylar. I don't really think that it seemed too contrived to ignore them, though, some plot holes are present in pretty much any piece of drama.
I also am not quite sure how to feel about the epilogue, with Hiro's time jump.
Next: My favorite episodes (Hint: they both involve big jumps in time)
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Post by mightyjack on Sept 15, 2007 13:46:13 GMT -5
Looking over the comics, I didn't see any major plot points. At least in the first 5 issues. There was more fleshing out of the characters. But nothing so deep that it would take away from the show if you never read them.
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Post by KyrieEleison on Sept 15, 2007 14:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Sept 15, 2007 17:19:25 GMT -5
I would like to add to my list of flaws that Ted Sprague (radiation guy) looks a bit too much like one of the cavemen from the Cavemen TV show.
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Post by mightyjack on Sept 15, 2007 17:30:16 GMT -5
LOL -
and good Wiki, while I prefer seeing the whole story unfold in comic book form. That's a nice quick way to get the jist of it. And it was nice to see a little backstory on those guys Niki buried in the desert.
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Post by wilson on Sept 15, 2007 18:53:57 GMT -5
Nice write up Cap. I too am unsure of the flaws though. I know the end fight had some holes but other than that? I whole-heartfully agree w/ all you've said __ in all your posts here. exCept ! The Kirby Plaza finale fight. Have you seen it a 2nd time ? I think they balance SO much there, and really give each & every character the right beats . . it'a actually rather grand.
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Post by Dr. Henry Krasker on Sept 17, 2007 3:47:01 GMT -5
I just have to ask. Are there fans of "Heroes" who aren't true?
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Post by wilson on Sept 17, 2007 7:03:07 GMT -5
I just have to ask. Are there fans of "Heroes" who aren't true? Well sure there are , pantie-head ! ( see "Who Are You-u-u ?") Into it for the wrong reasons Jumping aboard a gravy train hit to milk it in from the beginning yet tear it apart 86% of the time ================================= Just like here really , I was looking for the "True Fan" who 'gets it' , embraces its full range & doesn't have a narrow agenda
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Sept 17, 2007 11:00:07 GMT -5
Jumping aboard a gravy train hit to milk it in from the beginning yet tear it apart 86% of the time I'm kind of the opposite. Because I so seldom watch any TV shows, I usually poo-poo the idea of a new hit show (like I did for Lost and Heroes) and only occasionally get up the effort to check one out. In some cases, it turns out great. Anyway, as promised, some of my favorite episodes. Many of the episodes had classic moments in them, often from the discovery or use of a superpower, such as Peter doing his best to save Claire and gaining something new in the process, to using his newfound powers to fight Sylar but ultimately failing, and so on. The two episodes that stuck out a lot to me, though, were the two involving larger leaps in time - "Six Months Ago" and "Five Years Gone." "Six Months Ago" was one the episode that made me sit back and think, "Ah, so that's what happened" a number of times. Where Sylar came from, how Hiro was already doing his thing, and so on. It really made me understand some of the characters and events better, and came at the perfect time in the series, when a lot of the characters were becoming meaningful and well thought-out. "Five Years Gone" was another great episode. Alternate universes or timelines are common in science fiction and can make for great plots (e.g., "Mirror, Mirror" was one of my favorite episodes in the original Star Trek series), but they can also easily be taken to extremes and just become silly or incredibly convoluted. This episode does a great job, though. It shows a frightening dystopia, of what happens in a possible future. I love the way some of the characters have become hollow shells or opposites of what they used to be, before some of them decide to do what they can to possibly erase their present and make it better. The plot was simple enough to not seem convoluted, but meaningful enough to provide insight into the characters. By this time in the season, the characters were developed well enough to make some of their future selves seem shocking. Both classic episodes in my opinion, amid a whole bunch of other good stuff.
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