Torgo
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Post by Torgo on Jul 18, 2011 22:13:19 GMT -5
I think the problem with Ron and Hermione in the films is that the screenwriter, Steve Kloves, was always pushing Hermione into the forground as Harry's kinda sidekick, far moreso than the books did. I think it left the impression that Harry and Hermione were going to end up together. Then there was David Yates on-the-spot scene featuring Harry and Hermione dancing that definitely didn't help matters. Her relationship with Ron kind of suffered as a result.
I understand why Harry is attracted to Ginny, even though I feel it was rather rushed in both the films and books. I more or less accept it than anything else, though.
I thought it sucked that Lupin and Tonks got their relationship shafted in the films. But it's Harry's story so I suppose he was top priority.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Jul 18, 2011 23:43:26 GMT -5
The one thing that doesn’t work, here or in the books, are the kids relationship pairings. I never understood why Ron and Hermione hooked up and Ginny and Harry are worse, there’s zero chemistry there. All that felt shoe horned in there. At least Harry had a nice scene with his son at the end (while Ginny hovers nearby, looking/acting neither wifely or motherly) I have to disagree about Harry & Ginny. I thought their chemistry was perfect for a grown-up relationship. She wasn't needy; she was tough, independent, and not impressed that he was "the Chosen One". She didn't treat him like a celebrity or act like a fangirl, and he knew that he could trust her with anything. I think she was the exact person he needed, and their relationship was the most emotionally mature and healthy romance in the entire series. Ron & Hermione made sense in the story, but it didn't work onscreen very well. The actors didn't play it like something was building for 7 years. It was more smirks and giggles and a very abrupt payoff. And yet Ginny was all squishy over him. There are several scenes in past films were she was acting fidgety and nervous around him. But he didn't seem to pay her very much attention. I For me, it felt forced/rushed into - I didn't see the healthy mature developing relationship you did. (EDIT: Though to be fair I haven't rewatched Half Blood since the theaterical release, and with my memory being what it has become, it's possible some of the deeper relationship stuff you spoke of was developed there?) And Torgo, interesting to see Goblet #1. I thought it was good, but there were too many dumb things that bugged me (more so in the film), which were pointed out and teased in the Rifftrax offering.
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Post by Torgo on Jul 19, 2011 0:05:24 GMT -5
I still haven't watched the RiffTrax version, I've been backed up on many things. I saw the first three though.
I find Goblet to be a favorite because, while Newell was uneasy with visuals and made several narative blunders (the dragon escaping the arena for exaple), it had the best character moments of the enire series. I love the interaction between the kids in this movie, and Brandon Gleeson is a hoot as Moody.
Furthermore, I felt that Goblet having the only real evenly spread out plot of the series helped my enjoyment of it, providing an abridged version that cut out the nomsensical subplots that were weighing the book down. I dare say I prefer the movie to the book. I also prefer the Deathly Hallows films to the book, but not quite as much.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Jul 19, 2011 0:22:58 GMT -5
Oops, came back to edit my previous post and you beat me to the punch (I edited some of it anyway) - Yeah I liked the relationship stuff and I love Gleason in anything. It was the whole "lets put the children in mortal danger over a freaking trophy" that gnawed at me (in the book, wasn't it made clear they really weren't in any real danger --- at least apart from Voldys machinations?)
But it is a good flick - I've never thought of ranking them, But Hallows pt 2 would be my #1, Azkaban and Half Blood would be next (too close to call), then Goblet.
EDIT: Just spent an hour and half reading through the Potter wikis, boy that's a detailed world she created. Think I'll watch Half-Blood again this weekend.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Jul 20, 2011 2:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by crowschmo on Aug 21, 2011 18:39:59 GMT -5
They really watered down that whole Snape thing, jeez. I realize they couldn't get as involved as the book for the sake of time, but I was disappointed with the end result, and not just that part. But, I always am when I read or watch a movie. It builds, and then...okay, that was the end. The Snape in the book would never say to Harry, "You have your mother's eyes." Come on! They really took the edge off him, didn't they?
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Post by mitchell33 on Aug 22, 2011 14:09:35 GMT -5
actually i enjoy the film series, but of course i never expected any of them to be 100% faitful. i've seen all the films & i'm currently reading 'HBP" for the 1st time. i'm only on chapter 19 i believe? let me add something for ya's. you were complaing about Yates adding that scene with Harry & Hermonie? well
actually i read somewhere that was the two of them adding that in. NOT Yates. & actually i think it's a good scene because it's just the 2 of them being scared as hell. & you get what i'm saying. so when i was watching that last year at the theatre. that's what i kept in mind, it's also
why they did that i believe they said. filmwise they didn't add much to Harry & Ginny. but bookwise it was done better. someone on the IMDB board said it best where he started to look at her other than as sister like after she went to the ministry with him. cause i asked pretty much the same thing. my favorite book so far is 'OOP" because on how dark it is.
i haven't read the last book yet to bear with me. fimwise i dunno, it's also been "OOP" for the same reasons but since i've only seen the last 2 films once. maybe the 8th film will be my favorite film wise. or my 2nd favorite. yes i know how much was cut from "OOP" & i agree it was pretty damn stupid for them to cut it.
but to be fair some of the stuff i do get why it was cut.
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Post by crowschmo on Aug 26, 2011 12:17:18 GMT -5
I also didn't like the epilogue in either the book or movie. They're WIZARDS. And what do they do? Settle down and have a bunch of KIDS! Bo-ring! I know, Rowling may come up with a sequel some time in the future when she gets a break from all this and come up with other things they can do BESIDES the domestic stuff, but, it still bores me. And what did Harry become? Is he an Aurer? A famous Quidditch player? He obviously didn't become the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts, since he's seeing his kids off at the station. I guess that's also a story for another time.
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Post by mitchell33 on Jul 15, 2013 3:30:21 GMT -5
i think she said she's done with the series. but i agree it's never said. and i have since finished half-blood prince as well. i enjoyed it but still OOP it's still my favorite film and book. it doesn't bother me that they settled down and had kids to be honest. and really if she did another Potter book
what's left to tell? yes we would find out what happend to them other than having kids. but the main villian is dead. it'd most likely be about their kids i'm guessing. and that's not harry & the gang's story being told but their kids. it's not the same thing.
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