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Post by SoCalChevy on Aug 11, 2015 23:04:32 GMT -5
I was reading about "Tom Dooley" on Wikipedia and it mentioned a riff in which Crow referenced that song. Now that I've read it, I won't be as surprised when I hear it on the show. Has anyone else had a riff spoiled for them while reading a non-mst3k website?
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Aug 13, 2015 0:43:23 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever had a riff "spoiled" per se, but I can definitely see how that might diminish something.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Aug 14, 2015 18:35:23 GMT -5
I was reading about "Tom Dooley" on Wikipedia and it mentioned a riff in which Crow referenced that song. Now that I've read it, I won't be as surprised when I hear it on the show. Has anyone else had a riff spoiled for them while reading a non-mst3k website? Actually, for me it's the other way around. Knowing what a riff refers to makes it more enjoyable for me. One of the first things I did when I got a real internet account back in '93 was to get on Yahoo Search and look up "dance belt", "satin tap pants" and "Odessa Steps Sequence". Btw, in case you haven't seen Brute Man yet, Crow really takes the long way around for a really weak payoff on that Tom Dooley gag.
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Post by SoCalChevy on Aug 14, 2015 20:59:18 GMT -5
I agree, I like knowing what it refers to. I just don't like knowing what a riff will be ahead of time.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Aug 15, 2015 0:57:04 GMT -5
Speaking of Brute Man, after reading about Rondo Hatton, I had a real hard time enjoying the riffs at his expense later. I'd say that qualifies for this thread.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Aug 15, 2015 3:56:42 GMT -5
Can't think of that happening to me. But it probably wouldn't spoil it for me, since it's the context and the delivery that sells a joke. Edit - actually considering all the MST3K discussion over the decades, coupled with reading the episode guide before I'd seen all the shows, and no. Knowing ahead of time that there was a joke coming or that there was something in the movie (ala rock climbing) they made fun of, didn't spoil anything. I still laughed and enjoyed myself.
As to the other...
Maybe I'm just a right bastard. Or maybe it's that I can separate real life from reel life? But I can still laugh at the Hatton (or Z'Dar riffs for that matter). Now if Hatton was walking down the street and people made fun of him, that would be another thing. But within the scope of film and comedy, there's not a whole lot that spoils a riff for me. In trying to think of an exception... several years back there was a Rifftrax short that dealt with something that hit close to home on a personal level. I'm okay with it now, but at the time, when I was in the middle of the thing, I didn't have much of a sense of humor about it.
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Post by Cubey on Aug 16, 2015 12:33:27 GMT -5
I enjoy the song Tom Dooley (by Lonnie Donegan) so it doesn't ruin it for me. In fact, that host segment is just kind of stupid, like a lot of the late MST3k ones. They're unfunny and painful to sit through. If anything, it ruins the actual song.
About Rondo... I don't feel sorry for him being in "The Brute Man". He made money being a (B-movie) star based on his looks, even if he was a "monster" character. Tor Johnson did too. It's not like he was just some guy walking down the street, being recorded on a smartphone while being harassed and posted online. Brute Man just happened to be his LAST one is all, so somehow people feel bad about that ONE movie which doesn't make a lot of sense.
While he wasn't a "monster", Durante embraced his looks and made fame out of it. What's he known for generally? His big nose! It was a different time. You had to embrace your default set of looks and sink or swim with them.
Unlike now where you can run out and face your face chopped up and put back together in the name of beauty. (I'm not talking reconstructive after an accident or something). By extension, tattoos and piercings are another form of mutilation by people with severe mental illnesses, just the same as people with plastic surgery addictions.
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Post by SoCalChevy on Aug 17, 2015 10:02:13 GMT -5
I enjoy the song Tom Dooley (by Lonnie Donegan) so it doesn't ruin it for me. In fact, that host segment is just kind of stupid, like a lot of the late MST3k ones. They're unfunny and painful to sit through. If anything, it ruins the actual song. About Rondo... I don't feel sorry for him being in "The Brute Man". He made money being a (B-movie) star based on his looks, even if he was a "monster" character. Tor Johnson did too. It's not like he was just some guy walking down the street, being recorded on a smartphone while being harassed and posted online. Brute Man just happened to be his LAST one is all, so somehow people feel bad about that ONE movie which doesn't make a lot of sense. While he wasn't a "monster", Durante embraced his looks and made fame out of it. What's he known for generally? His big nose! It was a different time. You had to embrace your default set of looks and sink or swim with them. Unlike now where you can run out and face your face chopped up and put back together in the name of beauty. (I'm not talking reconstructive after an accident or something). By extension, tattoos and piercings are another form of mutilation by people with severe mental illnesses, just the same as people with plastic surgery addictions. I like the song, I just don't like expecting to hear a joke about it. I want to be surprised. I particularly recommend the Grayson and Whitter recording.
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Post by Cubey on Aug 17, 2015 11:20:59 GMT -5
After watching any episode once, you kind of won't be surprised it ever again, unless you forget the joke is there.
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Post by Chunky Brewster on Oct 11, 2015 20:41:35 GMT -5
I was reading about "Tom Dooley" on Wikipedia and it mentioned a riff in which Crow referenced that song. Now that I've read it, I won't be as surprised when I hear it on the show. Has anyone else had a riff spoiled for them while reading a non-mst3k website? Actually, for me it's the other way around. Knowing what a riff refers to makes it more enjoyable for me. One of the first things I did when I got a real internet account back in '93 was to get on Yahoo Search and look up "dance belt", "satin tap pants" and "Odessa Steps Sequence". Btw, in case you haven't seen Brute Man yet, Crow really takes the long way around for a really weak payoff on that Tom Dooley gag. I'm the same way! Some of the riffs as a kid made me seek out certain philosophers. The film stuff I've always been pretty knowledgeable, but as a youth, the philosophy jokes went over my head. See #405, ben murphy vs alien mummy. "critique of pure reason" by Kant.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Oct 13, 2015 17:54:24 GMT -5
Speaking of Brute Man, after reading about Rondo Hatton, I had a real hard time enjoying the riffs at his expense later. I'd say that qualifies for this thread. This may or may not be 100% on-topic, but after having seen The Creep Behind The Camera, it's even more fascinating watching Experiment 606 (The Creeping Terror) knowing what kind of guy A.J. Nelson (a.k.a. Vic Savage) was, and alarmingly ironic when they throw down the riff about the Spahn Ranch, home of the infamous Manson Family. If Creep Behind The Camera is to be believed, a fair portion of the exteriors for Creeping Terror were actually shot at the Spahn Ranch, while the Manson crew were living there but, of course, long before they achieved infamy for the Sharon Tate murders.
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