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Post by jackfrost on Mar 28, 2017 23:59:18 GMT -5
Seeing as there is a potential break in new releases from Shout Factory I am looking to buy some of the Shout Factory re-releases of the early Rhino sets. I already own all the Rhino releases, so I am interested to know which re-releases are worth buying. I am most interested to learn if there are any upgrades or if they have new features that the Rhino versions did not. Thank you all for your input.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 29, 2017 1:04:19 GMT -5
Volume one has a new features about the production company Crown. It's brief but up to par with other Shout sets. Trailers for the films have been included, but taken away from the Rhino set are the uncut versions of the films. If you're a fan of owning the films featured without the commentary, the Rhino set is worth keeping. But if you like Shout's documentaries, Shout's might be worth having too.
Volume two has MST Hour segments for Cave Dwellers and Pod People. Extras wise it's superior to the Rhino set, which had no bonuses whatsoever. I hear Pod People has inferior video though, but I haven't checked it out.
Volume three has all the bonuses from the Rhino set. It also has an interview with Ross Hagen and MST Hour wraps for The Unearthly. Another plus in Shout's favor is that the stinger for Atomic Brain, which was edited out of Rhino's version, is included.
As far as I know, the volume four sets are identical. If it comes down to packaging and menues, I'd say stick with Rhino. Shout's packaging is very basic and the menus are plain and the same for all four episodes. However the Shout set is a shelf space saver.
The upcoming volume five set is supposed to include all of the old bonuses as well. But what makes it a must have is the improved transfer on Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders, which had a screwed up contrast in the previous set.
Edit: Also of note, the volume one set has more effort in it than the others. In addition to the mini-doc, it features new menus as well. I suspect the set performed slightly below expectations, because the rest of the sets have a basic, recycled menu for every episode and reused bonuses with Hour wraps where applicable. The Ross Hagen interview I believe was only available because they had already interviewed him for another documentary, so I wouldn't expect many new features in the future.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 29, 2017 8:39:02 GMT -5
A happy artifact of the re-releases is that they tend to come with making the included episodes available from streaming sites where they were not available before. Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, for example, showed up on Amazon Instant around the Vol. 4 re-release. I'm hoping for the same with Boggy Creek II.
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Post by jackfrost on Mar 29, 2017 16:32:32 GMT -5
Volume one has a new features about the production company Crown. It's brief but up to par with other Shout sets. Trailers for the films have been included, but taken away from the Rhino set are the uncut versions of the films. If you're a fan of owning the films featured without the commentary, the Rhino set is worth keeping. But if you like Shout's documentaries, Shout's might be worth having too. Volume two has MST Hour segments for Cave Dwellers and Pod People. Extras wise it's superior to the Rhino set, which had no bonuses whatsoever. I hear Pod People has inferior video though, but I haven't checked it out. Volume three has all the bonuses from the Rhino set. It also has an interview with Ross Hagen and MST Hour wraps for The Unearthly. Another plus in Shout's favor is that the stinger for Atomic Brain, which was edited out of Rhino's version, is included. As far as I know, the volume four sets are identical. If it comes down to packaging and menues, I'd say stick with Rhino. Shout's packaging is very basic and the menus are plain and the same for all four episodes. However the Shout set is a shelf space saver. The upcoming volume five set is supposed to include all of the old bonuses as well. But what makes it a must have is the improved transfer on Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders, which had a screwed up contrast in the previous set. Edit: Also of note, the volume one set has more effort in it than the others. In addition to the mini-doc, it features new menus as well. I suspect the set performed slightly below expectations, because the rest of the sets have a basic, recycled menu for every episode and reused bonuses with Hour wraps where applicable. The Ross Hagen interview I believe was only available because they had already interviewed him for another documentary, so I wouldn't expect many new features in the future. Awesome, thank you for all the info. From the sound of things I think I will just go in order and skip the fourth one.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 29, 2017 17:13:39 GMT -5
Shout! has confirmed that the low sales of the re-releases is what prevents them from investing in new extra features or commissioning Steve Vance posters.
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Post by notundercovercop32 on Mar 29, 2017 18:05:51 GMT -5
Volume one has a new features about the production company Crown. It's brief but up to par with other Shout sets. Trailers for the films have been included, but taken away from the Rhino set are the uncut versions of the films. If you're a fan of owning the films featured without the commentary, the Rhino set is worth keeping. But if you like Shout's documentaries, Shout's might be worth having too. Volume two has MST Hour segments for Cave Dwellers and Pod People. Extras wise it's superior to the Rhino set, which had no bonuses whatsoever. I hear Pod People has inferior video though, but I haven't checked it out. Volume three has all the bonuses from the Rhino set. It also has an interview with Ross Hagen and MST Hour wraps for The Unearthly. Another plus in Shout's favor is that the stinger for Atomic Brain, which was edited out of Rhino's version, is included. As far as I know, the volume four sets are identical. If it comes down to packaging and menues, I'd say stick with Rhino. Shout's packaging is very basic and the menus are plain and the same for all four episodes. However the Shout set is a shelf space saver. The upcoming volume five set is supposed to include all of the old bonuses as well. But what makes it a must have is the improved transfer on Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders, which had a screwed up contrast in the previous set. Edit: Also of note, the volume one set has more effort in it than the others. In addition to the mini-doc, it features new menus as well. I suspect the set performed slightly below expectations, because the rest of the sets have a basic, recycled menu for every episode and reused bonuses with Hour wraps where applicable. The Ross Hagen interview I believe was only available because they had already interviewed him for another documentary, so I wouldn't expect many new features in the future. Awesome, thank you for all the info. From the sound of things I think I will just go in order and skip the fourth one. Due keep in mind that the print they used for Sidehackers looks terrible. Not all of the prints match up to the original rhino versions.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 29, 2017 18:17:10 GMT -5
It's case-by-case. I think Rhino's compression artifacts are worse than Shout!'s and they were in general more careless (the Merlin contrast issue, the missing stingers/bumpers), but sometimes Shout!'s sources are worse.
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Post by markymark on Mar 30, 2017 9:36:30 GMT -5
I like them because they save space...
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Post by davidbeegah on Apr 4, 2017 21:34:44 GMT -5
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Post by Torgo on Apr 4, 2017 21:41:32 GMT -5
Boom. Pre-ordered.
Thanks for the heads up! Gotta have that new Merlin transfer.
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Post by Samurai Manos on May 28, 2017 0:30:33 GMT -5
A good reason for me: captions. As a non American and a non English language native, MST3K unsubbed is frequently hard to follow for me because it's so busy (and because the poor sound of some of the movies). So the Shout! releases and re-releases that include captions are the ones I'm interested in. Pity it's not all of them.
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Post by Treadwell on May 28, 2017 1:38:15 GMT -5
Awesome, thank you for all the info. From the sound of things I think I will just go in order and skip the fourth one. Due keep in mind that the print they used for Sidehackers looks terrible. Not all of the prints match up to the original rhino versions. The print? The print of the movie used in the original production of the episode isn't going to change. Do you mean Shout!'s video master of the episode looks worse than Rhino's?
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Post by notundercovercop32 on May 28, 2017 3:11:05 GMT -5
Due keep in mind that the print they used for Sidehackers looks terrible. Not all of the prints match up to the original rhino versions. The print? The print of the movie used in the original production of the episode isn't going to change. Do you mean Shout!'s video master of the episode looks worse than Rhino's? Yeah, It it is unwatchable. It looks like it was ripped directly off of youtube.
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Post by leeharveyosmond on May 28, 2017 13:46:51 GMT -5
it's very blurry but not to the point that you can't tell what's going on. "unwatchable" is an exaggeration. (it's still pretty bad though)
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on May 28, 2017 15:11:31 GMT -5
Honestly, right now I'm curious to see if the volume 6 re-release will include a possible reel 1 card on Attack of the Giant Leeches or not.
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