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Post by Troy's Dad on Mar 30, 2017 16:13:28 GMT -5
Nerdist just posted a revealing article: nerdist.com/mystery-science-theater-3000-jonah-ray-baron-vaughn-hampton-yount-mst3k/I figured there was enough info to warrant a thread. Gotta say, I forgot (or maybe it was never mentioned) that the theater segments are recorded separate and the shadowrama is mimed. I'm sure it'll work out fine, though I will miss the more off the cuff feel of the original method where the actors can throw in an unrehearsed riff or flub a line or break and laugh. I also assume we won't see Jonah turn his head and see his lips speaking the lines. Not that this happens much in seasons 1-10, but I always liked when Mike would turn his head and you'd see the little mic.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 30, 2017 17:11:16 GMT -5
This is pretty much what I've assumed Rifftrax has been doing (maybe the early Cinematic Titanics as well). My main concern with pre-recording the riffing is that line reads will just sound exactly like line reads, which is a problem Rifftrax often has. But ultimately it's easier to use and fix from a production standpoint, so I understand why it's being done.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Mar 30, 2017 17:49:32 GMT -5
I thought this was a big problem with Cinematic Titanic. It just sounded too much like a script read instead of a spontaneous sounding interaction with the film. Hopefully this won't come across as wooden as CT did.
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Post by someoneinatree on Mar 30, 2017 18:14:47 GMT -5
I thought this was a big problem with Cinematic Titanic. It just sounded too much like a script read instead of a spontaneous sounding interaction with the film. Hopefully this won't come across as wooden as CT did. At the very least, the article makes it sound like all of them were in the same room and watching the movie as they recorded. On the Revival League fan page, one of the puppeteers said that this process made it much easier to handle the robots during some of the trickier things they do in the theater (a game of catch breaks out, apparently).
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Post by angilasman on Mar 30, 2017 20:38:58 GMT -5
So, if I'm reading that correctly: the audio for the riffing is pre-recorded and the shadowrama is made to synch to that, but for the host segments Hampton and Baron are there doing the voices and operating the mouth via RC while puppeteers synch the bots' performances, live, with whatever's going on?
I'll miss some of the spontaneity of the original methods (which were low-tech out of necessity) but good performances can make the scripted seems spontaneous.
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My fav part there is the performers actually going against Joel, who wanted all of their audio to be riffs, and finding room for just noises to make in the theater like gasps or startled noises and the like. Love that they wanted to preserve that.
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Post by Treadwell on Mar 31, 2017 2:05:50 GMT -5
The article only mentions the bots being pre-recorded.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 31, 2017 11:09:08 GMT -5
I agree with everyone's post, but yeah still a bummer. I didn't actually know CT was shot that way. It would add some clarity if it were true.
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Post by ca20 on Mar 31, 2017 19:45:17 GMT -5
This is interesting, but I will assure you that watching the first episode, I had no idea that they filmed the theater segments any differently than they had in the past.
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Post by angilasman on Mar 31, 2017 21:10:34 GMT -5
The article only mentions the bots being pre-recorded. For the theater riffing, yes, but it also mentions them being present for the host segments operating the mouths via remote. That wouldn't make any sense if they were pre-recoded because they wouldn't even need to be there, right?
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Post by someoneinatree on Apr 1, 2017 1:08:42 GMT -5
The article only mentions the bots being pre-recorded. For the theater riffing, yes, but it also mentions them being present for the host segments operating the mouths via remote. That wouldn't make any sense if they were pre-recoded because they wouldn't even need to be there, right? Joel was interviewed for the MST3K Revival League Podcast, and he confirmed that Baron and Hampton were on set controlling the bots' mouths via remote.
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Post by gerswin on Apr 1, 2017 3:52:17 GMT -5
Interesting comments by Joel on this article:
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Post by orionpaximusprime on Apr 11, 2017 6:52:04 GMT -5
The VO work and the puppeteering definitely don't mesh as well as it did when Bill, Trace, and Kevin were physically manipulating the puppets while doing the voices. It's a detail that reminds me a lot of Wayne's World when the show up on the set of the big budget version of their show. Everything is just a little off. I think the show itself is pretty strong, but the bots are my biggest issue. I think the voice actors themselves are pretty great, however.
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 11, 2017 8:32:39 GMT -5
I think the show itself is pretty strong, but the bots are my biggest issue. I think the voice actors themselves are pretty great, however. Totally agree. As I said in the 1101 review thread--the host segments are kind of bad (puppeteering wise), but the in theater segments are terrible. In many cases Crow simply opens his mouth once for the entire riff. It makes a Gamera dub look good in comparison! I do wish that Tom was just a tad lower pitched, not really because it has to be more like old Tom, but because he's a little too close to Jonah's voice and so far, along with the fast riff deliveries, it is pretty darn hard to distinguish the two in the theater.
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Post by gerswin on Apr 11, 2017 11:39:40 GMT -5
Yeah, it's interesting to see how many light years ahead Kevin was at giving Servo life than the three Jim Henson puppeteers are now.
I think Joel said in a Q&A that even Kevin took a few years to get good - but I don't know how the new puppeteers are going to get better when they film for a single week every year.
The Wayne's World comment is apt for the puppeteering at least. It definitely feels off and a little lifeless. Probably only us hardcore fans would notice though.
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