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Post by BilLumberg on Apr 19, 2017 10:29:23 GMT -5
Two things I think would be fun to see happen in season 12.
1. Commercials when they go to the breaks. These could be either fake ones made just for the show, or real ones (like the stranger things riff). The crew riff on them because they have to watch them too. The fake commercials could be produced by people outside the show even. Funny or die, Key and Peele, SNL, Kids in the Hall,etc. Sort of like a guest appearance.
2. Gypsy in the theater more (gasp). When I was a kid a friend and I would watch Doctor Who. His sister said she did not like the show and would make fun of us for liking it. Then while we were watching she would keep walking by, catching bits here and there til she ended up standing next to the TV watching large portions of the show. They could do this with gypsy, where she ends up hanging around and watching more of the movie. This would also allow for riffs from a female perspective. In CT having Mary Jo allowed them to do this and I think it was a benefit to the show.
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Post by LetGoOfItSlappy on Apr 19, 2017 16:47:27 GMT -5
The only thing I would like to see (and I think this is the cause of many of the chief complaints about this season) is, if at all possible, a longer production schedule for Season 12. I am thoroughly enjoying season 11 but it does have a rushed feel to it. I think a longer production schedule would help. My chief nitpick this season, as other have also pointed out, has been a lack of the "organic" feel of the original. To me, what is lacking is the feeling of Jonah, Hampton and Baron being in the same room during the movie. They may be, but Joel/Mike and the bots always had moments where the delivery of certain lines would crack each other up to one extent or another. Moments of genuine chuckling or outright laughter are what I am missing.
I don't think we'll ever have the schedule like the original series had (sorry DietKolos) but a slightly more relaxed schedule would help immensely IMHO.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 23, 2017 18:00:08 GMT -5
I agree with the all hands on deck in the theater for the riffing, that would make a big difference and give it that feel the original had. Other than the hit or miss jokes and the rushed feeling of some of the riffs and host segments, I'm enjoying this season. (The original had hit or miss episodes for me, too, so that's not a problem, everything hits people with different tastes in different ways, and not everything is going to work for every individual).
The BIG change for me would be if Rebecca gave a little more character to Gypsy's voice. She just doesn't feel like a 'bot. (Maybe it's a bit of irony, as her Synthia character sounds more robotic than Gypsy). But, I don't know, a little tweaking of the voice may endear the character more to me. Just not feeling the Gypsy love right now. Gypsy from the original show could be grating on the nerves sometimes, but there was still something there that she fit in with the rest and was, you know, Gypsy.
So, while some eps fell flat, I found myself laughing quite a bit for the new do.
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Post by cityofvoltz on Apr 29, 2017 20:39:13 GMT -5
Black & white older full frame movies and/or shorts.
Jh& tb could just scoot over when they realize it's not widescreen so we can still see their shilouettes
They could even make it into some kind of joke!
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 29, 2017 21:49:01 GMT -5
Black & white older full frame movies and/or shorts. Jh& tb could just scoot over when they realize it's not widescreen so we can still see their shilouettes They could even make it into some kind of joke! Just bring the curtains in on both sides like at a normal theater. Problem solved.
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Post by gorncaptain on Apr 30, 2017 5:40:05 GMT -5
Disney has been doing something similar with it's pre widescreen films on Blu Ray as a viewing option. I could see SOL styled bulkheads working just as well as curtains.
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Post by cityofvoltz on Apr 30, 2017 16:16:20 GMT -5
Disney has been doing something similar with it's pre widescreen films on Blu Ray as a viewing option. I could see SOL styled bulkheads working just as well as curtains. I like it very much! There is a classic movie theater in Detroit (circa 1920-30) and they do adjust their curtains (where applicable) per aspect ratio of the film.
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Post by BoB3K on May 8, 2017 10:31:29 GMT -5
Have you guys noticed that many of the 'new' things Joel wanted to add disappeared or were minimized? Like that silly SOL redesign that changed the shape of the SOL to something other than a bone. And, I've heard the new bots are in the season very little.
No disrespect to Joel's want for progress, but I kind of wish they would leave behind a few more of the 'new' things, like go back to single operated but more direct puppeteering, set design hands on and kit-bashed instead of a bunch of 3d printing, record the riff audio and silhouettes at the same time.
But, really, my one big request would be along with Diet Kolos and LetGoOfItSlappy -- they need a slower production schedule, and focus on one movie at a time. ... And you know what, it might actually be possible. I've been wondering--I bet Joel never really believed even way down that he would actually get mega funded for 14 episodes. He probably had this modern 'shoot a bunch and edit together' idea from the beginning, but assumed it would be for a production of 3 or maybe 6 eps. So, if they get a new season, maybe they'll space it out a little more. And even if they still do batches, maybe they'll do something more reasonable like 4 batches of 3 eps each or something.
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Post by mrmeadows on May 8, 2017 23:58:44 GMT -5
Overall, I'm pleased with the new season. That said, one of my--and many other's--criticisms as we started taking in these new eps. was that there was little variation in the sound of the riffers' voices. So sometimes Jonah sounded like Tom, and vice-versa, and the riffs came so rapid-fire we had trouble knowing who was speaking. Like many, I got more used to this as I made it deeper into the season and now I am able to distinguish who is speaking with no problem. Still, something seemed "off" with the riffing and was still bugging me, and I finally figured out what it is. Both Joel and Mike had very dry, laconic riffing deliveries. . .THAT'S what's missing! It isn't that the voices merely sound the same, it's that the personalities are too similar. It's like having three "wisecracker" types (i.e. three Crows) in the theater and it results in a less dynamic riff experience. I think it would be an improvement if one of them (Jonah, most likely) could reign it in a bit and be a contrast to Servo and Crow. Fine if the 'bots are a couple of fast-talking weisenheimers, but if just Jonah would slow it down and try a drier delivery it would help offset the rapid-fire comments coming from his companions. As it is, all three of them are firing off riffs at a machine-gun pace and they all kind of blend together at times.
But again, great season otherwise! Lots of laughs, and looking forward to a Season 12. Just giving my 2 cents.
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Post by Rhedosaurus on May 10, 2017 20:11:26 GMT -5
Funnily enough, I don't have a huge amount of problems with it. However, I would tone down the speed of riffing a bit, I think it feels a little too fast and overdone at times, it makes the scripted feeling more obvious.
I'd also like to see more camera movement around the SOL bridge (as Travis stated), it just seems a little too static, as if it's an unfinished set.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on May 12, 2017 17:48:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I would definitely say slow production down. Some episodes felt like they were filmed back to back, and that really took away the pacing of the riffing.
I also think the cold openings should go, in all honesty. They got really old and felt a little too forced. But that's my nitpick, and I'm sure season 12 will continue them. We'll see.
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Post by BilLumberg on May 13, 2017 10:32:55 GMT -5
If they are going to have the premise of having to do the opening "live" for every episode they should actually film a different sequence for each episode, or at least change sections (other than the background during robot roll call) that make each episodes opening unique. This is what I was expecting when the premise was introduced. Otherwise why bother.
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Post by kmorgan on May 13, 2017 15:27:53 GMT -5
Hmmm...
I agree that doing the riffing "live" would be a good idea. As we've seen in the original show, the jokes can be even funnier when the cast is able to react to and with one another. That would also help in terms of any pacing difficulties in terms of the riffs.
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Post by Udvarnoky on May 23, 2017 12:12:30 GMT -5
There are still instances in Season 11 of the cast reacting to each other in the theater. The height for that stuff was the Sci-Fi era, perhaps because Mike, Kevin and Bill are so comfortable with each other. Another contributing factor there, I think, is that in the Scifi era neither Kevin nor Bill (at least after his first few episodes) are really putting on an affectation at all; they're just using their own voice, which probably makes it a lot easier to make the chuckles feel genuine.
Everyone keeps assuming that a rushed production schedule is the cause for the new recording strategy, but no one has convincingly explained the correlation. The commentary is now being recorded twice - once in audio, and then again for the visuals. So they're really taking more time and not less. It seems to me this is all about Joel wanting the more sophisticated puppetry work in the theater, which wouldn't be feasible when recording live.
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Post by fathermushroom on Apr 15, 2018 19:27:33 GMT -5
Taking into account that these suggestions are unlikely to be heeded (not blaming, just making an observation), I would think the most likely suggestion I might make, that might be acted upon, would be to find more movies of a higher general caliber. I found too many of the Season 11 movies to be DREADFUL to get through on their own merits, and while I can't explain precisely how, there are "quality" issues that go into many older movies, like good camera work, nice scoring, good dialogue (even when the premise is ridiculous) that carry a B-movie along.
Take, for example, many of the B-grade Universals and their ilk. I'm thinking of "Leech Woman," "Thing That Couldn't Die," "Deadly Mantis," even "The Undead." There remains a level of quality control that makes these movies enjoyable at some level, and too many of Season 11 movies don't seem to have it.
It's the same reason I don't re-watch "Monster A-Go-Go" or "Castle of Fu Manchu" from the old series. So, for me, "Carnival Magic," "Wizards of the Lost Kingdom" or whatever it was called, and "Starcrash" were simply too difficult to sit through--the riffing would have to be incredible beyond description for me to really enjoy these eps.
But that's just me. I notice that many other viewers absolutely LOVE these episodes, so there you are.
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