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Post by BoB3K on Nov 24, 2017 14:00:13 GMT -5
So, this has been announced on the Turkey Day thread in main, and here in the whither season 12 thread, so check those out for the actual tday announcement. If you're not a TDay person but were a KS backer, you'll have also gotten an email update from Joel.
So, we have no details whatsoever except for the actual thumbsup from Netflix for a Season 12. This is great news and I'm very happy! Okay, having said that, back to my more pessimistic self--I think they've been floundering and Netflix has been leaving them dangle. I feel like this announcement was a treat from Joel who went to Netflix and said--hey I know you're still thinking this over and I know we're still working this all out, but c'mon. It's Turkey Day, and the KS ended on a bit of a sour note. I really want to have something to give to people for TDay.
So, that's all we know. So, let's start speculating! I'll go first--
I bet one of the bigger sticking points is budget and number of episodes. I really hope they settle on some kind of small batch releases. Like 3 ep batches released over a year period. Of course the problem here is that they might only be able to get Felicia and Patten together for one or two days throughout the year and so Joel is pushing for another big batch. I loved Kinga and Max and really want them to stay, but I think I would sacrifice that and would gladly give up the fancier puppets to have shorter faster turn around and 'live' host and theater segment recordings.
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Post by Torgo on Nov 24, 2017 14:15:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I suspect there will be movies and they will watch them in some form.
Though if I were being serious, I have this gut feeling that The People That Time Forgot might be one of them.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Nov 24, 2017 14:42:49 GMT -5
Someone mentioned that in one of the live show Q&As that Netflix likes to do 10 episode runs for comedies. I wouldn’t mind that.
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Post by Torgo on Nov 24, 2017 15:33:17 GMT -5
Hey, if Fuller House gets thirteen, we should be getting more just to maintain justice!
Actually I always assumed another season would be about ten episodes. Don't know why, but that just always seemed to be a "Netflix number." Maybe thirteen if we were lucky.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Nov 24, 2017 15:55:13 GMT -5
Patten and Felicia only have to be on set for a few days near the beginning of shooting. The host segments don't necessarily have to have much to do with the movie. If they know all of the movies they're going to do at the before they start shooting, they could film all of the host segments in a few days long before they film the in the theater segments. They could always film an extra set of segments that have nothing to do with the movie if one of the movie deals falls through as a backup.
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Post by Triple_sSs on Nov 24, 2017 17:21:45 GMT -5
And there was much rejoicing!
Now that we're getting another season, you think it would be appropriate to call this the "Netflix era"? I imagine fans might eventually start calling it that more often, just like the KTMA, CC and Sci-Fi channels were different periods of the show.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Nov 24, 2017 17:31:38 GMT -5
I already do.
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Post by kmorgan on Nov 24, 2017 23:38:10 GMT -5
I'm hoping the episodes will be maybe ten or so minutes longer, allowing for less cutting for time. As far as guest stars, try to get Mark Hamill back again, and the rest of the MST alumni. As for movies, I agree with "People that Time Forgot", and they should lead off with "Fantastic Argoman" from the live tour.
And as far as how they get Jonah back on the SOL...I'll have to think that one over.
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Post by madisoncarter on Nov 24, 2017 23:47:55 GMT -5
Okay, having said that, back to my more pessimistic self--I think they've been floundering and Netflix has been leaving them dangle. I feel like this announcement was a treat from Joel who went to Netflix and said--hey I know you're still thinking this over and I know we're still working this all out, but c'mon. It's Turkey Day, and the KS ended on a bit of a sour note. I really want to have something to give to people for TDay. I have a different opinion/theory on the lull in noise. They were just getting their ducks in a row mostly - They would certainly have to work out a new contract with Netflix since it's a different situation from the original crowd-funded season. Between that and getting whatever films they're going to use under lock and key (and that's often done most efficiently without fanfare driving the film rights sky-high), it just wasn't time yet to talk about a new season.
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Post by Torgo on Nov 25, 2017 1:15:00 GMT -5
Actual Netflix negotiation notes:
"Hey, we're going to lose all our Marvel shows soon. Is there any way we can advertise this show as being a part the Marvel Cinematic Universe? If not how about as the first House of Cards spinoff? Nobody has sexually harassed anybody, have they?"
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 25, 2017 1:52:04 GMT -5
13 eps would match their later SciFi year seasons. As long as they're not Season 7 numbers, I'll be cool.
I'm not sure what to think about the 'NetFlix' era. First of all, Netflix didn't really pay for Season 11, the Kickstarter campaign did. But then, it doesn't look like Joel has any interest in more Kickstarters. (*I'm basing that solely on the fact that out of all the post Season 11 stuff we've heard, not once has it been brought up, to my knowledge.) But then, if NetFlix finally does pony up and pay for Season 12, and we have multiple seasons shown for multiple years on there, then it certainly fits.
An alternative era set is by main characters changing. Many people lump KTMA and season 1 together into the Josh era. Then you essentially have two eras at CC after Josh (and now with Kevin and Frank), obviously the split being the changeover from Joel to Mike. No one really talks about a separate era for Season 7 without Frank, but then it was only 6 eps (7 with the movie). But, after 7 and Trace leaving and the move to SciFi, that is definitely an era change, and the beginning of Pearl, BoBo, and Brain Guy, along with a new voice for Crow. And now of course we have the new era with Jonah, Kinga, and Max. I would also say that I would call it the same era regardless of who paid and showed it if it still had those three.
For the record, that would be 5 eras: 1) Josh - KTMA - S1 2) Joel and Frank and new Tom - S2-S5.5 3) Mike - S5.5-S7 4) New Mads and Crow S7-S10 5) Jonah, Kinga, Max and new Tom and Crow - S11+
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Post by Shark on Nov 25, 2017 6:59:52 GMT -5
As for movies, I agree with "People that Time Forgot", and they should lead off with "Fantastic Argoman" from the live tour. I agree! Sadly, Joel stated they wouldn’t use Argoman as an episode for a couple of (utterly baffling and unsatisfying) reasons.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Nov 25, 2017 10:29:59 GMT -5
I'm hoping the episodes will be maybe ten or so minutes longer, allowing for less cutting for time. As far as guest stars, try to get Mark Hamill back again, and the rest of the MST alumni. As for movies, I agree with "People that Time Forgot", and they should lead off with "Fantastic Argoman" from the live tour. And as far as how they get Jonah back on the SOL...I'll have to think that one over. I’m betting that the episodes are all 90 minutes because that’s what Netflix’s algorithm says is the ideal length for a comedy and conforming to that may have been highly encouraged. How long are all the Adam Sandler comedies?
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Post by Torgo on Nov 25, 2017 11:07:39 GMT -5
I'm hoping the episodes will be maybe ten or so minutes longer, allowing for less cutting for time. As far as guest stars, try to get Mark Hamill back again, and the rest of the MST alumni. As for movies, I agree with "People that Time Forgot", and they should lead off with "Fantastic Argoman" from the live tour. And as far as how they get Jonah back on the SOL...I'll have to think that one over. I’m betting that the episodes are all 90 minutes because that’s what Netflix’s algorithm says is the ideal length for a comedy and conforming to that may have been highly encouraged. How long are all the Adam Sandler comedies? Too long. ::rimshot:: The Rediculous 6 is 120 minutes. The Do-Over is 108 minutes. Sandy Wexler is 131 minutes.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 25, 2017 12:17:20 GMT -5
I think the 90 minute thing is more of a Joel decision. I'm guessing the eps were mostly finished before netflix had anything to do with them. Actually, knowing that they're going for netflix and not broadcast tv, it might free them up for more varied times.
Not having heard Joel's comments, I would assume they wouldn't want to do the live tour movie, because instead, they would put that out as separate DVD purchase, just like they used to do for CT or that RiffTrax does now with their live shows. I'm sure they taped some of the showings with that purpose in mind.
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