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Post by adventuremaster18 on Oct 16, 2018 7:30:52 GMT -5
To be fair with ATLANTIC RIM, I don't believe it's the only movie on MST3K to be apparently made bad on purpose and a be a rip-off. Didn't the director of Hobgoblins state he made the film bad on purpose? Or am I misremembering and he was actually trying to make a good movie?
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Post by Torgo on Oct 16, 2018 11:48:18 GMT -5
To be fair, I don't think what Asylum does can be considered "intentionally bad." I've always considered them apathetic toward quality, so determined to make a product to match the title they came up with ASAP that they don't care how it turns out.
But yeah, Hobgoblins in an intentionally bad movie that was turned into a solid episode.
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Post by said43 on Oct 16, 2018 13:40:46 GMT -5
I just have one question: How much Keeffe is in the Ator movie anyway?
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Post by Troy's Dad on Oct 16, 2018 14:20:08 GMT -5
Something to also be aware of is that because of "The Gauntlet" subtitle and binge theme to the season, there is no real need for a long intro and conclusion to the episodes, aside from the first episode. Jonah and the bots will be going from movie to movie so there will probably not be a cold open where they're goofing around before the movie, and there will probably not be too long of an ending where they resolve some conflict.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Oct 17, 2018 8:04:31 GMT -5
Word about the BBFC listings might have gotten around because the listings for those five episodes are no longer on the BBFC website.
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Post by travis on Oct 17, 2018 8:29:32 GMT -5
Guess I'm late to the party! Still recovering from the 3 MST3k live shows last week. Interesting selection of films... But, unlike Season 11, I haven't seen most of these (I've only seen THE DAY TIME ENDED... which is a good choice!). Couldn't even find a trailer for LORDS OF THE DEEP! ATLANTIC RIM is sure to be a controversial choice this season. I'm not even sure how I feel about it!
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Oct 17, 2018 10:20:47 GMT -5
For me, the choice of 'Atlantic Rim' is controversial because it seems like a lazy choice of movie. As others have mentioned, The Asylum produce movies that are deliberate bad, they know exactly the types of movies they are making and that they also produce cheap, lazy ripoffs of big Hollywood blockbusters, even going as far as to use similar titles in hopes of suckering in unsuspecting people.
I have noticed some people complaining of it's choice because it was produced in the last five years but that doesn't really bother me, because some of my favourite episodes from the Sci-Fi channel era feautred movies that had been made in the 1990s, like 'Future War' and 'Soultaker'. Future War had only been released two years prior to it's MST3K debut.
Maybe 'Atlantic Rim' will be the gem of the new season, only time will tell, but I hope that future seasons will refrain from using The Asylum movies.
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Post by madisoncarter on Oct 17, 2018 15:42:26 GMT -5
I spent years reviewing Asylum movies for a website, and I can vouch that no, most of them are not deliberately bad. They're bad, they're cheap, but they're not done that way on purpose. The Sharknado thing got them doing a few more like it, but most of the Asylum's stuff is just typical cheap sci-fi trash. They're the Roger Corman of this era, and it would be akin to considering everything he did as "deliberately bad" or "campy" based on Little Shop of Horrors and Creature From the Haunted Sea.
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Post by kmorgan on Oct 17, 2018 23:38:32 GMT -5
So far as I know, I don't recall seeing any of the announced movies. And I really only know a couple of them by reputation. Thus, I'm going in cold. And as for the unnamed 1205, I have to figure it's something special, in that they're keeping it under wraps. Or maybe, as someone on Satellite News speculated, they just haven't filmed it yet.
In any case, I have confidence that it'll turn out OK.
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Post by Torgo on Oct 18, 2018 1:56:21 GMT -5
All of the episodes were filmed months ago. They finished post on all of them before Netflix announced the release date.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Oct 18, 2018 6:25:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Netflix requires them to turn in all the episodes for approval before they’ll set a release date.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Oct 19, 2018 2:44:30 GMT -5
*Checks the listed run-times, gasps, and goes to Google*
*Double checks the length of MST3K: The Movie*
*Breathes a sigh of relief*
Okay, guys, good news. MST3K: The Movie remains one of the only examples of a movie that's shorter than any of the episodes of the show it comes from. Close call, though, another four minutes and Lords Of The Deep would've beaten it.
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Post by slainmonkey on Oct 21, 2018 8:29:36 GMT -5
My guess it’s an attempt to streamline it for binge viewing....which seems to be more what they’re experimenting with this season. Honestly I’d prefer they didn’t, but I guess what really matters is how well it works in the end product!
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Post by BoB3K on Oct 22, 2018 15:09:33 GMT -5
The shorter times are bad news. My big fear is part of the "binge-watching" "stream-lining" is that they're actually going to cut whole host segments, as in there won't be cold-open, intro, 3 mid-movie, and outro anymore. That would be really sad.
I'm also disappointed in Joel either way, as he touted almost non-stop about how this new version backed by the fans would be totally free of "corporate meddling" and it seems to me that here we are right into the first group not backed by a kickstarter, and bam, we have "network" interference. lame.
I also don't get all this stuff about naming seasons and season arcs. Wasn't one of the few things that almost ALL original MSTies agreed on was that the Season 8 story arc--while maybe having fun segments ep to ep--was a bad idea. NO ONE tunes in to MST3K for an ongoing story, they tune it to watch a random cheesy movie with some funny riffing friends. period.
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Post by madisoncarter on Oct 22, 2018 17:32:16 GMT -5
The shorter times are bad news. My big fear is part of the "binge-watching" "stream-lining" is that they're actually going to cut whole host segments, as in there won't be cold-open, intro, 3 mid-movie, and outro anymore. That would be really sad. I'm also disappointed in Joel either way, as he touted almost non-stop about how this new version backed by the fans would be totally free of "corporate meddling" and it seems to me that here we are right into the first group not backed by a kickstarter, and bam, we have "network" interference. lame. I also don't get all this stuff about naming seasons and season arcs. Wasn't one of the few things that almost ALL original MSTies agreed on was that the Season 8 story arc--while maybe having fun segments ep to ep--was a bad idea. NO ONE tunes in to MST3K for an ongoing story, they tune it to watch a random cheesy movie with some funny riffing friends. period. I don't think we'll have to worry about the opening or skits, you're reaching a bit far to get that fear. They'll go for scenes from the movies themselves instead, as they always have (and Netflix is NOT the first time MST has edited movies down, it's been part of their legacy since nearly the beginning).
You can be disappointed in Joel all you want, but it's misguided. He said the version backed by fans would be free. And it was. This season is NOT backed by the fans, so you can't hold him to that statement anymore.
As far as story arcs, you're holding your own standards and biases to something that is being presented in a world and society very, very different from the one that existed during the CC/Sci-Fi years. Things have changed and they aren't necessarily targeting you.
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