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Post by adventuremaster18 on Jan 16, 2019 12:02:13 GMT -5
I recently rewatched the MST3K film and my opinion hasn't really changed on it since I first watched it. I think it's just a watered down version of the actual show. I do know that this wasn't really because of the MST3K staff themselves, but the studio requesting stupid changes. My question is how would YOU have changed an MST3K film? How would you have made it bigger, better, while still keeping the soul of the show?
Personally, I would've made some big changes. Honestly, the film itself would be my first choice, This Island Earth is not a bad film. Which is a problem as bad films are what make the best episodes. My personal pick would have been an obvious, but still fitting one. Plan 9 from Outerspace. While I know they passed on it before, I feel it would have been fitting. Plan 9 is often considered to be one of the worst films ever (it's not, but is considered the worst by many), so what would be more fitting for a show about making fun of bad films then to have them go up against the ultimate bad film in their own theatrical film? (If the color aspect was so important to the studio, they could just colorize it) The host segments I'd keep the same, expect reinsert both the alternate ending (while obviously deleting the theatrical ending) and the deleted scene where Tom saves Mike. I felt it was wrong to cut either as one is a much more satisfying ending and the other is a great character moment. And finally, I'd keep the film uncut. The fact that the film was both shorter then the original film and an average episode of MST3K was absolutely mind boggling. I feel doing this would have made this both a much more solid film and really give it a somewhat bigger feel (with the whole Plan 9 thing) that a film version of MST3K should have.
That's just my opinion, but how would you have changed it? Or would you have not changed it at all?
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Post by timmy on Jan 16, 2019 13:02:26 GMT -5
i would say if the Brains had stuck to their guns (when the studio wanted the changes) maybe the film would have been better. also would think Plan 9 would have been a better fit for the movie (and not the show itself). and This Island Earth (which is dated) is not that bad of a film (not that good but still) would have not been my first choice. also the Brains did there response to what happen during the filming in the Incredible Melting Man host segments.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Jan 16, 2019 14:35:04 GMT -5
Plan 9 probably would have been good timing, since Ed Wood had come out in 94, so he loomed pretty large in pop culture.
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Post by Troy's Dad on Jan 16, 2019 15:44:19 GMT -5
The problem is, Plan 9 would have looked like crap on the big screen. It's not a very visually interesting movie, and it's in black and white. For the big MST3K on the big screen, I don't think it would have popped like TIE does. That was actually the big thing for me seeing the movie, a widescreen MST3K with a movie that looked really good in a theater.
I love MST3K the movie, and would change very little about the final film. I'd probably just add in the deleted scenes and have a proper theatrical version of the intro. As a kid I thought the intro was really boring compared to the TV series.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Jan 16, 2019 16:12:45 GMT -5
I would have:
1) Not cut it down to be shorter than an episode of the TV show
2) Seen it actually released
Neither of these things were within BBI's control. The movie just had the misfortune of having its fate dictated by a couple of panicky idiots who did not actually like MST3K and were assigned to the project arbitrarily.
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Post by crowschmo on Jan 16, 2019 16:13:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't have made a movie to begin with. There's just not the same feel, compared to the show. It doesn't work for me as a big screen, theater-type dealio. I do LIKE the movie, though. It's just not the same.
Now, if we really want to make it "feel" like MST3K, I would've just made it a live show broadcasting out to various theaters. Hmm.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Jan 16, 2019 16:19:50 GMT -5
The problem with the movie is that we will never really know if it would have worked for general audiences or not, because for all intents and purposes it never got put in front of one. It seems less accurate to say the movie was unsuccessful than that it was put into a situation where success was not a possible outcome. The result is the same, of course, but there will always be that nagging question of What If.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Jan 16, 2019 17:43:21 GMT -5
I would've had them sign the deal with Paramount in '92 for significantly more money, even if it had more limited creative control.
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Post by timmy on Jan 16, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -5
I would've had them sign the deal with Paramount in '92 for significantly more money, even if it had more limited creative control. and that would have opened up a lot of new movies, but would it have been like the Sci-Fi Channel with it being limited in there choices (mainly just Paramount owned movies) |
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Post by foreign object on Jan 16, 2019 19:46:28 GMT -5
Tom Hanks as Mike Nelson?
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Jan 17, 2019 20:33:52 GMT -5
The problem with the movie is that we will never really know if it would have worked for general audiences or not, because for all intents and purposes it never got put in front of one. It seems less accurate to say the movie was unsuccessful than that it was put into a situation where success was not a possible outcome. The result is the same, of course, but there will always be that nagging question of What If. To me, the live shows have shown that I think MST3K: The Movie could have possibly done very well at the box office if it had a wider release. Then again, MST3K I think is a bit more on people's consciousness now than it was in 1996. I would have liked to have seen Plan 9 be the film of choice for The Movie, as opposed to This Island Earth, which would have been more befitting for a regular episode of the TV series. It'd be like with Angry Video Game Nerd: The Movie, where the focus of the film was the most infamous Atari video game, "E.T.". Instead of that, creator James Rolfe decided the film should center around "Plumbers Don't Don't Wear Ties". I mean, it might still be a funny movie, but that'd be a random choice. Yeah i would have liked a big-screen, big budgeted version of the show intro instead of just.... Mike on a hamster wheel. I'd keep the host segment where the Bots try to save Mike from suffocating, as well as a better ending than the one we actually got. |
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Post by Ford Prefect on Jan 18, 2019 12:40:12 GMT -5
MST3K: The Movie had two things working against it. The executive meddling that made the film so short and the lack of a wide theatrical run. If they'd had a wider release and the executive meddling had helped the film work better for the average movie goer, as the executives convinced themselves it would, that would be one thing. If the movie was invariably destined to have the small theatrical run it had, then they should have had more creative freedom to release the film they wanted to and we'd be able to see the original longer cut of the film. They had the worst of both worlds in that regard. Despite this, I still like the finished product and I'm glad it was still able to get a somewhat wider audience through video rentals and premium cable. I don't know if a black and white 4:3 movie like Plan 9 would have been that appealing to a general audience on the big screen. Even when Rifftrax finally did it, they riffed the colorized version for the simulcast live show. There's a reason that Netflix wants them to stick with widescreen color movies.
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