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Post by BoB3K on May 6, 2019 12:20:18 GMT -5
I think this article is representative of my view that Netflix will have to change its cancellation strategy in order to maintain relationships with fans and subscribers. Maybe. I think it might just show that Netflix isn't as hot poopie as it thinks and as soon as it looses a few more unoriginals, their numbers are going to start to drop. Half the reason I still have Netflix is its Star Trek library. We also are currently watching Agents of SHIELD from the beginning (we hadn't watched it before for the exact reason mylungswereaching just mentioned). We have watched a good amount of their originals, like Punisher, Maniac, Umbrella Academy and Stranger Things, but few of those would we have missed or ever hunted out if we didn't just have Netflix already.
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Post by Megalon on May 6, 2019 12:21:50 GMT -5
I was just thinking this the other day. Netflix's ruthless cancellation policy seems to have created a lot of bad blood for the company (and it will only create more as time goes on). So what if their algorithm says it's the best policy? Eventually it will alienate all their potential customers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 4:55:06 GMT -5
If we don't hear some thing by Turkey Day this year, then I guess that means, well I don't know what that means
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Post by zombiewhacker on Aug 27, 2019 23:45:13 GMT -5
Have the stars given any indication that they'd be willing to come back for another season?
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Post by majorjoe23 on Aug 28, 2019 6:50:17 GMT -5
At a con a month or so back, Jonah and Felicia said they had been asked to come back (if there’s another season) and are willing.
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Post by Megalon on Aug 28, 2019 14:09:14 GMT -5
This makes me a little less nervous: Season 11 was released on April 14, 2017. Season 12 was announced on November 24, 2017. i.e. 225 days between the release of one season and the announcement of the next. Season 12 was released on November 22, 2018. It is now April 14, 2019. i.e. 144 days. So maybe it's still early yet, although if the more-frequent-seasons promise is legitimate, then we should have a shorter wait for an announcement. It is now 279 days since Season 12 was released.
In other words, the wait for Season 13's announcement is now longer than the wait for Season 12's (by about two months, and increasing day by day).
This is not a good sign, especially since Season 12 was only 6 episodes long and was supposed to lead to faster turn-over.
I'm guessing there's been some sort of snag behind the scenes -- probably Netflix cancelled the show -- and either Joel doesn't know how to break the news to us, or he's still trying to find a new home for the show (if that's even a possibility). Either way, I hope we hear something soon.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Aug 28, 2019 15:41:27 GMT -5
Does Netflix leave it to show creators to announce a cancelation? It seems more likely they would just announce it. They aren't shy about canceling.
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Post by Mod City on Aug 28, 2019 18:57:05 GMT -5
I don't think we can call it dead in the water, but I'm definitely curious. Netflix is not in an awesome spot right now. They're dealing with more competition than ever before, and now Disney is going to drop their catalog (and the newly-acquired catalog from 20th Century Fox) on their own streaming service exclusively, as ProjectedPaul pointed out a few pages back. That's a real gut punch. Netflix tried to shore themselves up with some great original programming (MST included), but they're going to take a considerably hit when Disney launches, and shows aren't cheap to produce, even a modest one like MST3K.
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Post by travis on Aug 30, 2019 7:22:45 GMT -5
" " Yeah, I feel like the streaming site universe is about to implode on itself. There's just far too many platforms out there.
I'd be willing to bet they're waiting until the 2019 live tour is over before announcing or starting another season. I can't imagine Netflix is in any hurry to order more episodes, especially considering their business platform RE: cancelling series after a few seasons.
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Post by BoB3K on Aug 30, 2019 11:02:59 GMT -5
Does Netflix leave it to show creators to announce a cancelation? It seems more likely they would just announce it. They aren't shy about canceling. I've mentioned this before I think, but it bears repeating--MST3K isn't owned by netflix (even though they obnoxiously smack that 'netflix original' logo all over it, which annoys the hell out of me). Shout/Joel own the show. netflix licensed season 11 after it was almost fully paid for and produced by the kickstarter. Who knows what the deal was for season 12, but I'm positive that after all these years, Joel did not give up his just recently gotten rights to the show. I'm sure it is still fully owned by Shout/Joel. The point being, I don't really think it's netflix's place to announce a cancellation, it's Joel/Shout's. ... And, I definitely think that netflix has passed on new eps. I don't think we're going to hear anything before Turkey Day, and then who knows what we might hear. I'm rooting on direct releases from Shout at a lower budget and back to the original format.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Aug 31, 2019 8:11:46 GMT -5
But Netflix doesn’t own plenty of their originals. For instance, One Day at a Time is owned and produced by Sony Pictures Television. But Netflix still announced its cancellation.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Aug 31, 2019 9:00:44 GMT -5
I'm rooting on direct releases from Shout at a lower budget and back to the original format. When and if Netflix drops MST3K, the business model behind direct releases will be an interesting thing for Shout! to sort out. Certainly, the prospect is way more viable than it was twenty years ago when Rhino reviewed the idea of new episodes release on VHS and decided it couldn't work. Rifftrax is a useful success story one can point to, but it's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, as the MP3 releases incur almost no overhead. Rifftrax is additionally able to pull off three live shows a year, but only if the fan base subsidizes it. Still, I can see Shout! being able to make the numbers crunch on a wholly independent MST3K venture, which in my imagination looks like a limited number of tightly budgeted episodes as a supplement to annual touring. Not too different from what we're getting now, really. But there may be a cast turnover and the pledge drives may become routine.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Aug 31, 2019 12:57:15 GMT -5
If they do a stripped-back Rifftrax model, say, 3 episodes a year, I think it could work.
Shout has a big library and a lot contacts with smaller and larger rights owners, it'd essentially be self-dealing to get the films.
Do what Rifftrax does and have a Kickstarter once every 6-9 months. Enough to supplement small production costs and a small tour or a singular live show broadcast into theaters across the country. Maybe 250k-500k per Kickstarter. Shout picks up the rest of the costs.
It'd have to be a complete re-start, I'd think. You def couldn't afford Patton, Felicia or Baron. Maybe not even Jonah, but he might do it for cheap. Build a permanent set and permanent writers room. Take your time to write and shoot episodes correctly.
If they can put out 3-4 high quality, old school-type episodes per year on a regular schedule, I would be willing to chip in regularly.
Keep the interest in the show alive, and if anyone ever wants to buy the rights to stream or broadcast new episodes you'll have a solid base to do it out of.
Soooo much better than the Netflix hell they're stuck in. Held at arm's length in limbo for most of the year, not knowing if you're renewed, not getting paid enough, being forced to compromise your artistic vision to fit into whatever Netflix wants of you.
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Post by travis on Aug 31, 2019 22:01:56 GMT -5
If they do a stripped-back Rifftrax model, say, 3 episodes a year, I think it could work. Shout has a big library and a lot contacts with smaller and larger rights owners, it'd essentially be self-dealing to get the films. Do what Rifftrax does and have a Kickstarter once every 6-9 months. Enough to supplement small production costs and a small tour or a singular live show broadcast into theaters across the country. Maybe 250k-500k per Kickstarter. Shout picks up the rest of the costs. It'd have to be a complete re-start, I'd think. You def couldn't afford Patton, Felicia or Baron. Maybe not even Jonah, but he might do it for cheap. Build a permanent set and permanent writers room. Take your time to write and shoot episodes correctly. If they can put out 3-4 high quality, old school-type episodes per year on a regular schedule, I would be willing to chip in regularly. Keep the interest in the show alive, and if anyone ever wants to buy the rights to stream or broadcast new episodes you'll have a solid base to do it out of. Soooo much better than the Netflix hell they're stuck in. Held at arm's length in limbo for most of the year, not knowing if you're renewed, not getting paid enough, being forced to compromise your artistic vision to fit into whatever Netflix wants of you. " " I agree with this 100%
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Post by Ford Prefect on Sept 1, 2019 8:05:01 GMT -5
If they do a stripped-back Rifftrax model, say, 3 episodes a year, I think it could work. Shout has a big library and a lot contacts with smaller and larger rights owners, it'd essentially be self-dealing to get the films. Do what Rifftrax does and have a Kickstarter once every 6-9 months. Enough to supplement small production costs and a small tour or a singular live show broadcast into theaters across the country. Maybe 250k-500k per Kickstarter. Shout picks up the rest of the costs. It'd have to be a complete re-start, I'd think. You def couldn't afford Patton, Felicia or Baron. Maybe not even Jonah, but he might do it for cheap. Build a permanent set and permanent writers room. Take your time to write and shoot episodes correctly. If they can put out 3-4 high quality, old school-type episodes per year on a regular schedule, I would be willing to chip in regularly. Keep the interest in the show alive, and if anyone ever wants to buy the rights to stream or broadcast new episodes you'll have a solid base to do it out of. Soooo much better than the Netflix hell they're stuck in. Held at arm's length in limbo for most of the year, not knowing if you're renewed, not getting paid enough, being forced to compromise your artistic vision to fit into whatever Netflix wants of you. " " I agree with this 100% We're making a lot of assumptions here regarding the costs, Joel/Shout's willingness to attempt to reboot the franchise again so quickly with cheaper talent and lower production values, and most fans willingness to go along with all of that. The only way I could see that possibly working is if they were to involve the Incognito Cinema Warriors XP team. They have plenty of riffing experience and have done their best to continue despite their lack of budget. Plus they already have a small following, so it wouldn't be starting completely from scratch. I still think it's too early to say Netflix definitely won't pick up more MST3K though. They could have just cancelled it already. The fact that they're still "in negotiations" tells me they are at least putting more thought into this than Amazon did when they cancelled The Tick. Netflix should pick that up too, along with anything else Disney and Warner don't already have nailed down.
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