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Post by vgaddict on Mar 13, 2019 9:42:32 GMT -5
Sci Fi canceled MST3k after S10. But what if the show didn't get canceled? Would you have liked to see more seasons, or do you feel that 10 seasons is enough, and that the show should end while it was still good?
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Post by timmy on Mar 13, 2019 9:49:39 GMT -5
Sci Fi canceled MST3k after S10. But what if the show didn't get canceled? Would you have liked to see more seasons, or do you feel that 10 seasons is enough, and that the show should end while it was still good? maybe one more season then that's it (maybe have a whole year's story arc of them trying to get back to Earth, trying to pull something on the Mads, maybe switch between them trying to get Bobo and Brain to send them home before Pearl stops it). on the last episode, they finally get home (by tricking Pearl this time).
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Post by Diet Kolos on Mar 13, 2019 9:53:32 GMT -5
If the show hadn't been cancelled, I think Mike may have stepped away from hosting to focus on writing, both for the show and stuff like Let's Bowl and maybe his own books. The next logical host would've been Beez.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 13, 2019 11:50:06 GMT -5
If the show were never cancelled there wouldn't have been a large gap in between seasons.
We'd also probably have like 500 episodes by now.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Mar 13, 2019 12:01:58 GMT -5
There's no reason for a show like MST3k to get stale. Just be like Doctor Who and change the actors and writers. After a few years, writers burn out. Let them go or let them become part time and hire new writers. Replacing a writer or two every few years keeps things fresh. It's not like a regular show where you have to keep thinking up new plots all the time. It's a gag show. With the large number of jokes per episode, there's nothing wrong with reusing them.
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Post by vgaddict on Mar 13, 2019 14:48:16 GMT -5
Rifftrax, Cinematic Titanic, Film Crew and the new MST3K prove there's no shortage of bad movies.
MST3K probably could have run for several more seasons.
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Post by Mod City on Mar 13, 2019 14:53:09 GMT -5
I was disappointed like everyone else when the show was canceled, but any show can wear out its welcome. The Simpsons has been unwatchable since around season 7, in my opinion. I can't stand to even have it on in the background anymore. I'm glad MST3K didn't end up like that.
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Post by someoneinatree on Mar 13, 2019 15:10:32 GMT -5
One thing that would be interesting to speculate about is how a theoretical run on AMC (who I believe offered to rescue the show if I remember correctly) would have differed from Comedy Central and Sci-fi. Yes, it would have been strange seeing the dregs featured on MST3K aired between showings of Citizen Kane and The African Queen, but AMC used to celebrate b movies in October.
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Post by hike'em'up on Mar 13, 2019 16:22:07 GMT -5
I was disappointed like everyone else when the show was canceled, but any show can wear out its welcome. The Simpsons has been unwatchable since around season 7, in my opinion. I can't stand to even have it on in the background anymore. I'm glad MST3K didn't end up like that. Yeah, there is something to be said about hanging it up before getting to that point where you just want it gone. Now that goes to the original run closing the door after Season 10. However, I've always lamented the way Joel's time ended. It happened really at the apex of the series (imo) and while Mike stepped in and did a phenomenal job as the best possible replacement, I'll always wonder if Joel could have carried that high point for another couple of seasons worth before any change. I would have so much preferred to see 6 full seasons of Joel (beginning from Season 2 quality, that is) and 6 full seasons of Mike.
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Post by Megalon on Mar 14, 2019 0:28:55 GMT -5
I think it's great that Mike and Joel ended up doing basically the same # of seasons; it gives them equal legitimacy, in a way, whereas if Mike had continued for another 4-5 seasons, then the balance would have been thrown off. We would think of Mike as the main host of the show and Joel as that guy from the early seasons (sort of like how we view Kevin Murphy vs. Josh Weinstein).
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Post by zombiewhacker on Mar 14, 2019 18:12:02 GMT -5
We would think of Mike as the main host of the show and Joel as that guy from the early seasons (sort of how we view Kevin Murphy vs. Josh Weinstein). ... or Peter Graves vs. Steven Hill. 😂
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Post by cavedweller on Mar 15, 2019 0:32:37 GMT -5
It would be like season 30 and Mike, Bill, and Kevin would still be doing the show.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Apr 24, 2019 8:43:50 GMT -5
I think the Sci-Fi era had two or three more good seasons in it before it would have started to run out of steam.
As someone who was there from the very beginning, Murphy seemed fairly philosophical about the show ending after ten seasons, but I think for the most part the team was not ready to call it quits. I think it particularly sucked for Bill, who had really owned Crow and had plenty left in the tank when the plug got pulled.
On the other hand, maybe the Eden Prairie run was better off being cut down at a nice round number before it had a chance to start delivering diminishing returns. I know some fans argue that already happened, but not all crazy people are locked up.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 24, 2019 11:00:14 GMT -5
The latter half of Season 9, after they didn't get the back 9 episodes ordered and were told Season 10 was it, feels very phoned in. In places, anyways. The same for most of Season 10 after about 1004, when they knew for certain they were cancelled.
That's not saying they ran out of steam, they just ran out of incentive. And it shows quite a bit in those last 2 seasons.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Apr 24, 2019 11:23:33 GMT -5
Respectfully, I find that view wholly unconvincing and over-reliant on projection. Besides which, there are bonafide classics in the back halves of both Season 9 and Season 10. I mean, if Final Sacrifice was made during a period of phoning it in, then they should have made every episode disengaged.
Do we even know when in the production timeline they were told that Season 9 was not going to be 22 episodes, or that they were renewed for Season 10, or that they were cancelled? The belief that 1004 was the last episode produced before they got notice is based off of Mary Jo's ACEG write-up, but in it she only says that they didn't know they were cancelled at the time they wrote 1004. It is not implied that they therefore found out immediately afterward. Fans came up with that conclusion on their own.
It is more convincing to me that the cancellation notice came only after BBI had produced at least eight episodes of the tenth season. The evidence is the copyright dates, which suggest that 1001-1008 were produced in the fall of 1998, with the remaining five produced in 1999 (Hamlet is the first episode with that year stamped on it) after a long production hiatus. The announcement of the cancellation came on February 24th, 1999, and we know that Diabolik was produced in April. Therefore, it seems almost certain that they were well into the back half by the time they were told there was no pick-up.
Now granted, that is only when the pink slip became official; BBI could have seen the writing on the wall well before then. But that brings us too far into the area of pure speculation to draw any confident conclusions about the mindset of the team when they were making certain episodes. It also assumes that awareness of a falling axe would necessarily be a detriment to quality. I know many fans who cite Season 7 as a high water mark, and it seems like BBI knew when they were fulfilling that six-episode order that it was the Comedy Central valediction.
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