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Post by Megalon on May 26, 2021 12:03:31 GMT -5
Oddly, the premise and the trappings of the show are so important to me that I've never even bothered to watch Cinematic Titanic or The Film Crew, and yet I have little interest in continuity or consistency. The fact that Tom & Crow returned to Earth in Season 10, but are now suddenly back on the SOL, doesn't bother me in the least. Sure, I appreciate a nod to continuity from time to time, but I'll roll with just about anything, as long as the show is funny.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 26, 2021 12:52:55 GMT -5
Oddly, the premise and the trappings of the show are so important to me that I've never even bothered to watch Cinematic Titanic or The Film Crew, and yet I have little interest in continuity or consistency. The fact that Tom & Crow returned to Earth in Season 10, but are now suddenly back on the SOL, doesn't bother me in the least. Sure, I appreciate a nod to continuity from time to time, but I'll roll with just about anything, as long as the show is funny. I agree that the general narrative, characters, bots, etc are huge part of what makes MST3K the best riffing thing ever.. it makes the riffing funnier if the context is 'we don't want to watch these and we are forced to'. It definitely really helps sell the angrier jokes.. I am curious about you mentioning Cinematic Titanic and The Film Crew since they both had a 'premise'. Is it because you just didn't find their respective premises to be compelling? full disclosure: I did not find them compelling and it made me realize how special the world of MST3K is. I mentioned the insanely ridiculous send off for Frank before.. if I can roll with that I can roll with anything.. but I definitely have strong preferences for Tom and Crow from Sci Fi era to be different bots than the netflix series. Nerd idea: The bill corbett crow that riffs with joel in the new season is literally the crow that stayed in wisconsin from the Time Chasers episode.. not the crow that went to earth with mike and tom at the end of season 10. Could be a fun way to poke at the 'anything can happen' loose continuity.
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Post by Megalon on May 26, 2021 14:07:12 GMT -5
I am curious about you mentioning Cinematic Titanic and The Film Crew since they both had a 'premise'. Is it because you just didn't find their respective premises to be compelling? I actually don't know what their premises are (as I said, I've never watched them). But it's not that I am averse to either of those shows. It's just that I never got around to watching them, even though I was quite pleased when Cinematic Titanic was announced. There's just something about MST3k that appeals to me and pushes me into taking that final step into actually watching it, rather than just kind-of-sort-of wanting to. It could be the nostalgia, it could be the show's premise, or it could be some combination of the two.
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Post by slainmonkey on May 26, 2021 15:49:26 GMT -5
Depending on however bad the Jim Mallon drama was I wouldn’t doubt or blame Joel for wanting to not have anything to do with that era I can’t say for certain what Joel’s current feelings towards Jim Mallon are, but with both Josh and Bill coming back, I feel it would create a lot of unpleasantness if Jim were to return.....let’s just say that both have good reasons to not wanna work with him again!
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Post by crowschmo on May 26, 2021 15:57:31 GMT -5
I always thought of Joel as the 'Bot builder in-show-universe. And that Tom and eventually Crow were able to make replicas of themselves, hence why there were always extra Toms on the SOL whenever a particular joke called for one. . I don't believe in my head-cannon that Kinga is able to build sentient robots. I wanted to believe that Bill's Crow was Timmy and OG Crow was still playing at the edge of the universe. I had a transition episode(s) in my head that I never wrote down, sadly, for the end of the Trace era and beginning of the Bill era. Maybe I'll write some of that down in a stand alone thread; I had written some of the premise years ago back on the Satellite News site. Anyway, at the end of that scenario Joel ended up being on one SOL (he came back to rescue them after the Laser Blast ep, which happened to actually be a somewhat prophetic dream on Crow's part) and Joel had Dr. F and a clone of Frank to contend with, with Trace and Josh as Crow and Servo, and Mike was on another SOL putting up with Pearl and having Bill and Kevin as Crow and Servo and in my head, it was just every other episode would be the other set. So, it's kind of like what they want to do now.
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Post by majorjoe23 on May 27, 2021 19:52:26 GMT -5
Bill is doing a Reddit AMA on June 2. Surely someone will ask “Are you going to be on season 13?” Hopefully we’ll get confirmation then.
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Post by BoB3K on May 28, 2021 12:45:30 GMT -5
If that’s the case, I kinda hope that Joel’s Gypsy (Calling her GPC is still weird to me) has a more old school voice, I mean I know she wouldn’t be played by Jim Mallon but it would be a really cool throw back to, maybe Patrick Brantseg could....I dunno, but the possibilities of this extended beyond Crow and Tom Servo! Original Gypsy was voiced by Josh.
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Post by BoB3K on May 28, 2021 12:47:25 GMT -5
I always thought of Joel as the 'Bot builder in-show-universe. He was, it's literally in the theme song.
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Post by tvsfrank on May 29, 2021 11:11:28 GMT -5
I enjoy Rifftrax, but for me something is lost in the experience by not having the host segments.
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Post by crowschmo on May 29, 2021 17:36:33 GMT -5
I always thought of Joel as the 'Bot builder in-show-universe. He was, it's literally in the theme song. I meant I didn't believe anyone else like Mike, Kinga or Dr. F could build them, just Joel. Edit: Though, maybe Jonah, too. I don't remember -- he built Waverly and what's the other 'Bot's name, didn't he?
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Post by BoB3K on May 29, 2021 19:13:36 GMT -5
He was, it's literally in the theme song. I meant I didn't believe anyone else like Mike, Kinga or Dr. F could build them, just Joel. Edit: Though, maybe Jonah, too. I don't remember -- he built Waverly and what's the other 'Bot's name, didn't he? I don't know about Jonah, but it was pretty heavily implied that Mike didn't have the skills to make any robots.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 29, 2021 20:41:31 GMT -5
I meant I didn't believe anyone else like Mike, Kinga or Dr. F could build them, just Joel. Edit: Though, maybe Jonah, too. I don't remember -- he built Waverly and what's the other 'Bot's name, didn't he? I don't know about Jonah, but it was pretty heavily implied that Mike didn't have the skills to make any robots. Jonah (who I believe was introduced as a Gizmonics wunderkind in the cold open of Reptilicus with Erin Gray) built M. Waverly and Growler. I have no trouble believing Dr. F, Pearl or Kinga could reproduce and manufacture more of the SOL bots for other experiments.
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Post by Mighty Jack on May 29, 2021 20:52:12 GMT -5
It's funny how in his first episode, Mike came off like this can-do fix-it person, but much like Bobo's brain, it de-evolved and he turned into the clumsy, inept tech guy who needed Gyps and the Nanites help in that area. Even Joel had to stop by in season 10 to make repairs.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 29, 2021 21:52:02 GMT -5
I remember that first episode well - he seemed to have everyone well in hand in a very different way from Joel. I always thought Mike was pretty handy and sharp, but I never assumed he was capable of fixing the bots or doing that kind of work. Looking back they did make him much more of a doof in later years.
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Post by slainmonkey on May 29, 2021 23:37:33 GMT -5
If that’s the case, I kinda hope that Joel’s Gypsy (Calling her GPC is still weird to me) has a more old school voice, I mean I know she wouldn’t be played by Jim Mallon but it would be a really cool throw back to, maybe Patrick Brantseg could....I dunno, but the possibilities of this extended beyond Crow and Tom Servo! Original Gypsy was voiced by Josh. Oh I know, but Josh’s voice for Gypsy was very different, and most people haven’t even seen the KTMA episodes. I more mean that Jim Mallon’s take on Gypsy was the one people were most familiar with!
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