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Post by Diet Kolos on Mar 27, 2024 11:32:51 GMT -5
If anything, now-ish (or towards the end of March/middle of April) would be the optimal time to launch another crowdfunder (assuming that's the route they go, which isn't a given).
Tax season, people have more cash on hand from refunds or their yearly salary raises/bonuses, etc.
Waiting until the end of the year again just invites the same issue a lot of people seemed to have last time, having their money already tied up on the holidays.
If I were to guess, I'd say they're going to launch another campaign or make some sort of announcement regarding the future within the next 2 months. It has been/will be long enough that they will have had plenty of time to discuss things with potential partners and/or plan out tye next steps.
There's no point in stretching out the amount of time. There's no strikes. There's no moratorium from Netflix. No covid holdup. And the further they get away from Season 13 the less the momentum (of what momentum there was, anyways) will be. And the more likely more unforseen obstacles pop up, like another strike.
But if nothing comes about by...July, let's say, I wouldn't expect anything significant for awhile.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 27, 2024 12:22:26 GMT -5
'i've done 3 seasons and feel like I did it and am ok if there isn't any more'. Said nothing about plans to relaunch. Sounds a lot like Joel's 'I'm creatively satisfied' take during the kickstarter. Unconspiracy theory -- we take them at their word. They all did it, did it enough in their minds, and are done with it. Slightly more conspiracy -- I wonder if Season 13 was a lot of No Fun to make for many of the people involved. The whole covid thing. the whole too many cooks thing still going on between writers and multiple casts. The idea of multiple casts. The live streaming and closed releases. I wonder if the whole idea of New MST3K just got soured for a lot of people involved. I know it got soured for a lot of fans. to add a bit to that: I could be projecting but I picked up some of that vibe when I attended the end of the season in person events for The Christmas Dragon. Particularly from Tim and Joel. Tim has been very hands on and committed to making the show work and often showed up on reddit/elsewhere to talk through issues. He talked to me a few times about the sound problems in season 13 and when they had those issues late in the season again he seemed just as annoyed as us. 'It's way too late to be having these kinds of problems' is what he said. During the Q and A I think the question was 'is there anything you want fans to know'. Tim said 'We aren't trying to tick you off' and looked defeated. I felt bad for him and I think a lot of folks there could relate to that feeling of trying so hard yet the lack of sustainable success and ever changing directions especially in cast roles definitely adds to that frustration IMO. I also forgot to mention that Jonah said in the podcast that he didn't think it was a good idea to do another crowdfund effort for season 14. ALSO: Listened to a podcast with Joel done last feb. It was a career retrospective one. Near the end the host asked 'what's next?' after Joel restated his 'I am creatively satisfied' narrative. Joel's answer was a comedic deflection to buying a minigolf property in wisconsin and making it mst3k themed.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 27, 2024 12:27:24 GMT -5
other jonah updates from that podcast: He has given up standup comedy. Burnt out on it. Been bartending on weekends and plans to keep doing so. His movie Destroy All Neighbors is out in case you missed it. He talks in depth about finding his friend dead. Cripes. Talk about being in a bad place. Honestly what I wrote doesn't quite match how bad of a place he articulated that he was in on this podcast. After the long climb to his dream job he had a ton of bad poopie go down in his personal life and the dream job ended up not being a winner for him. Him talking about ending his standup was laced with a ton of self reflection about wasting his life and not feeling like a complete human. If it weren't for the Destroy all neighbors movie I think he would be really hurting. Movie looks fun though I am going to check it out. I love Jonah and want him to be happy.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 27, 2024 14:39:52 GMT -5
Cripes. Talk about being in a bad place. Honestly what I wrote doesn't quite match how bad of a place he articulated that he was in on this podcast. ... I love Jonah and want him to be happy. This is too bad. I always thought he seemed like a genuinely nice guy. Hope it works out for him.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Mar 27, 2024 14:46:28 GMT -5
Someone posted on Reddit about Alternaversal Productions, LLC being terminated as a company on 1/12/24 due to being inactive. That makes sense since Gizmonic Arts, LLC is the successor company. But I used the Pennsylvania Department of State Business Name search engine ( file.dos.pa.gov/search/business ) to search on the other NuMST companies and found out something: MST3K 14 Productions, LLC, founded 7/14/23, was voluntarily terminated on March 5, 2024. Nothing has replaced it, that I can find. The Season 13 production company is still active. Not a good sign, IMO.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 27, 2024 15:34:13 GMT -5
Someone posted on Reddit about Alternaversal Productions, LLC being terminated as a company on 1/12/24 due to being inactive. That makes sense since Gizmonic Arts, LLC is the successor company. But I used the Pennsylvania Department of State Business Name search engine ( file.dos.pa.gov/search/business ) to search on the other NuMST companies and found out something: MST3K 14 Productions, LLC, founded 7/14/23, was voluntarily terminated on March 5, 2024. Nothing has replaced it, that I can find. The Season 13 production company is still active. Not a good sign, IMO. They will use the youtube/pluto/etc revenue to keep up the forum/gizmoplex as long as they can (and that might be for a very long time) but all signs point to it being over for future studio seasons. Live shows are the only hope but it feels like Joel/Jonah/etc don't ever care to try. Soon rifftrax/the mads are back/etc will all hang it up and then it's really over across the board.
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Post by ds_36 on Mar 27, 2024 17:46:28 GMT -5
As much of a mstie as Jonah or anybody associated with the new show is it isn't their baby. It's Joel's baby. Mike has had the same sort of opinion towards the show. If Joel doesn't find some way to continue it with (near) complete authority I'd be very surprised if he'd be involved with any future activities.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 27, 2024 22:03:54 GMT -5
As much of a mstie as Jonah or anybody associated with the new show is it isn't their baby. It's Joel's baby. Mike has had the same sort of opinion towards the show. If Joel doesn't find some way to continue it with (near) complete authority I'd be very surprised if he'd be involved with any future activities. agreed.. I would argue it should be given in full to Jonah so it can be his baby. Part of the problem is he was the face of nuMST3K but it wasn't his baby. It was still Joel's. If there is a future for NEW mst3k that lives on (even after mike, trace, joel, etc retire soon or die) it lies with the younger fans who see what is great about it and can run with it. The concept of the show and the characters of Tom Servo and Crow T Robot are iconic and should live on past their creators. Soon ALL of the creators behind those characters will retire. Hopefully the Shout execs who bought the IP give it to Jonah or someone like him to truly create a new era of MST3K greatness.
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Post by Megalon on Mar 29, 2024 11:38:35 GMT -5
I think the whole thing is in disarray. If Jonah is giving interviews like that (and it makes me sad to hear; he's a good guy), then where do we go from here? The whole multiple-hosts concept is dead in the water as far as I'm concerned, and Joel would be absolutely foolish to try it again. So who takes the helm in the event of another reboot? Jonah? Emily? Joel? Or, God forbid, someone new? We've had so many cast changes lately, the show's legacy feels like a total mess now. How do you salvage the wreck and create something from it that the fans will accept as a continuation of what came before? It seems impossible at this point.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 30, 2024 11:40:18 GMT -5
The whole multiple-hosts concept is dead in the water as far as I'm concerned, and Joel would be absolutely foolish to try it again. So who takes the helm in the event of another reboot? Jonah? Emily? Joel? I said all the way back during the S13 KS when Emily was first announced that the plan was to phase out Jonah, Patton, and the other higher paid mainstream talent and replace it with his live show cast. Sprinkle in a little conspiracy theory for how no returning cast was mentioned during the S14 funder (strike-shmike), and I think the plan already was to announce (AFTER fundraising was complete) that S14 would be all Emily and gang, with maybe just a cameo from Jonah and/or others, if available, to do some kind of final in-story hand-off.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 31, 2024 1:21:45 GMT -5
The whole multiple-hosts concept is dead in the water as far as I'm concerned, and Joel would be absolutely foolish to try it again. So who takes the helm in the event of another reboot? Jonah? Emily? Joel? I said all the way back during the S13 KS when Emily was first announced that the plan was to phase out Jonah, Patton, and the other higher paid mainstream talent and replace it with his live show cast. Sprinkle in a little conspiracy theory for how no returning cast was mentioned during the S14 funder (strike-shmike), and I think the plan already was to announce (AFTER fundraising was complete) that S14 would be all Emily and gang, with maybe just a cameo from Jonah and/or others, if available, to do some kind of final in-story hand-off. I'm with you on several levels here.... but Jonah is not high paid... neither is hampton. Baron is one you could maybe argue was high paid but is he really these past few years? Patton would do this show for the union minimum guaranteed. The cost savings are in having the voices of the bots also be the puppeteers.. which ballooned the budget for season 11 cause they had the fn jim henson crew pulled in. But Hampton was the puppeeter for Crow on the first live tour.. both hampton and baron were the puppeteers for crow and tom in season 13. So WHAT FN COST SAVINGS? IMO Joel's intent to replace Jonah, Hampton, Baron, with the live cast had more to do with artistic vision than anything that could be pointed to 'expensive mainstream talent'.. and I think Joel was absolutely wrong in that approach. I get that Baron, Hampton, and Jonah weren't the live tour warriors that Joel wanted.. Baron never bought in, Hampton hated it and couldn't deal with the tour bus.... even Jonah bailed on a tour to which Joel said "jonah promises me he will do the next tour'. Joel was 100% correct that live shows are the key to the shows success. But Joel couldn't reconcile that with the need to make the studio seasons a success which was devastated by the ever rotating cast Joel got a live crew who's puppeteering talent was unmatched in the entire history of the show and he was willing to toss the netflix crew for that extra talent... even though that talent has very little to do with the magic of the show. I understand who joel is and understand that he navigated around these dynamics with good intentions.... but it destroyed the show after Season 12.. this coming from me who loved season 11 and 12. At this point I would say loudly that he did NOT navigate getting Season 14 going with good intentions. Joel's long time legacy is fn magical and brought so much joy to us. I think this is the end but am grateful for the last gasp he brought to us. However imperfect that was.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 31, 2024 1:35:18 GMT -5
also to go further.
I've sat through several Mads Are Back disappointments.. The Mary Jo show stuff is a nonstarter. Many studio rifftrax releases have been pretty forgettable or painful to sit through.
I am sure many people here would disagree.. but it really feels over for the OG crew.. Joel is just one of them.
At this point I hope they all retire soon and go away.
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Post by ds_36 on Mar 31, 2024 10:21:22 GMT -5
I would argue it should be given in full to Jonah so it can be his baby. Is Joel actually willing to part with it? And is anybody willing to really take it over?
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 31, 2024 16:15:44 GMT -5
I would argue it should be given in full to Jonah so it can be his baby. Is Joel actually willing to part with it? And is anybody willing to really take it over? We don't really know if it's up to just Joel. Shout! may own anywhere from 50%-100% of it.
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Post by ds_36 on Mar 31, 2024 18:07:52 GMT -5
Of course anybody can be assigned to take over the project. But if that person doesn't really want to do it you wind up with a bad product. No matter what it's never going to be (new person's) like it's Joel's. That doesn't necessarily mean that it can't go well. But it's a huge dynamics change.
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