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Post by jocksinclair on May 3, 2019 8:55:09 GMT -5
Shout Factory recently did a massive interview about the future of their company, and as a sidenote they mentioned something relevant to this thread. Not a change in information, not a surprise, but they mentioned that Susan Hart continues to set too high a price for her library for any reasonable licensor. I don't think they got any questions specifically about MST3k, or any other questions relevant to it.
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Post by timmy on May 3, 2019 10:10:57 GMT -5
Shout Factory recently did a massive interview about the future of their company, and as a sidenote they mentioned something relevant to this thread. Not a change in information, not a surprise, but they mentioned that Susan Hart continues to set too high a price for her library for any reasonable licensor. I don't think they got any questions specifically about MST3k, or any other questions relevant to it. its not like she needs the money (married into rich Texans)
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 13:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 3, 2019 13:44:47 GMT -5
Well, using my handy, dandy PACER login which I am most assuredly not supposed to be using for this... It appears that Susan sued Shout, Ballyhoo and Daniel Griffith for their AIP documentary, "It Was a Colossal Teenage Movie Machine" included in Volume XXXIV, in which she alleges that clips of her "creepy sci-fi and horror films" (her exact words on the filing) are being exploited without her direct consent. She claims that because they use clips of these movies in the documentary, she is owed 100 grand. Shout claims fair use. Discovery should've been finished last month. Both parties want a trial if settlement isn't reached. Looks like it was sent to Mediation.
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Post by Udvarnoky on May 3, 2019 15:23:26 GMT -5
I envy this woman's free time.
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 3, 2019 15:41:03 GMT -5
She lists five or six films in the filing, I haven't seen the documentary but I'm assuming it's less than 5 seconds for each film in the documentary. So 100k for maybe ~25 seconds of footage. 20k per 5 seconds per film. I Was a Teenage Werewolf is ~75 minutes.
So according to Susan's fantasyland math, it'd cost Shout something like 18 MILLION to license the whole film. She truly has a diseased mind.
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Post by jocksinclair on May 3, 2019 16:17:20 GMT -5
So basically, Susan Hart either watches all these discs herself or has an assistant to do it? She really thinks if she holds out long enough, somebody will pay her for these movies, doesn't she?
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Post by timmy on May 3, 2019 18:44:28 GMT -5
Well, using my handy, dandy PACER login which I am most assuredly not supposed to be using for this... It appears that Susan sued Shout, Ballyhoo and Daniel Griffith for their AIP documentary, "It Was a Colossal Teenage Movie Machine" included in Volume XXXIV, in which she alleges that clips of her "creepy sci-fi and horror films" (her exact words on the filing) are being exploited without her direct consent. She claims that because they use clips of these movies in the documentary, she is owed 100 grand. Shout claims fair use.Discovery should've been finished last month. Both parties want a trial if settlement isn't reached. Looks like it was sent to Mediation. not a lawyer (but play one on TV) but since its a documentary, Shout has a good case (but it also depends on the Judge). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
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Post by Ford Prefect on May 4, 2019 11:32:31 GMT -5
Well, using my handy, dandy PACER login which I am most assuredly not supposed to be using for this... It appears that Susan sued Shout, Ballyhoo and Daniel Griffith for their AIP documentary, "It Was a Colossal Teenage Movie Machine" included in Volume XXXIV, in which she alleges that clips of her "creepy sci-fi and horror films" (her exact words on the filing) are being exploited without her direct consent. She claims that because they use clips of these movies in the documentary, she is owed 100 grand. Shout claims fair use.Discovery should've been finished last month. Both parties want a trial if settlement isn't reached. Looks like it was sent to Mediation. not a lawyer (but play one on TV) but since its a documentary, Shout has a good case (but it also depends on the Judge). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Considering her track record with this stuff, I assume Shout will win. I'm very curious about what will happen to Susan Hart's catalog when she inevitably loses control of it.
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 4, 2019 11:51:06 GMT -5
not a lawyer (but play one on TV) but since its a documentary, Shout has a good case (but it also depends on the Judge). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Considering her track record with this stuff, I assume Shout will win. I'm very curious about what will happen to Susan Hart's catalog when she inevitably loses control of it. Considering how monomaniacal she's been at preventing anyone from using any of her material over the last 20 years, my assumption is that she probably has a trust set up so that when she dies it will also continue to prevent her films from being distributed in perpetuity unless some ridiculous monetary thresholds are met. Same thing with Wade and Rocketship XM.
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Post by ProjectedPaul on May 4, 2019 12:17:18 GMT -5
Shout Factory recently did a massive interview about the future of their company, and as a sidenote they mentioned something relevant to this thread. Not a change in information, not a surprise, but they mentioned that Susan Hart continues to set too high a price for her library for any reasonable licensor. I don't think they got any questions specifically about MST3k, or any other questions relevant to it. Here's a link to the podcast interview being referenced. The Brainwaves podcast interviewed Jeff Nelson and Cliff Macmillan of Shout's Scream Factory horror releasing label. They don't mention her by name, by they do mention the financial demands of Susan Hart for licensing her films like "Invasion of the Saucer Men", "Teenage Werewolf", and "Teenage Frankenstein" at about the 1:46:30 mark in this interview: brainwavestalk.com/brainwaves-episode-127-scream-factorys-jeff-nelson-and-cliff-macmillan/
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Post by discomoonmusic on May 4, 2019 15:59:31 GMT -5
Considering her track record with this stuff, I assume Shout will win. I'm very curious about what will happen to Susan Hart's catalog when she inevitably loses control of it. Considering how monomaniacal she's been at preventing anyone from using any of her material over the last 20 years, my assumption is that she probably has a trust set up so that when she dies it will also continue to prevent her films from being distributed in perpetuity unless some ridiculous monetary thresholds are met. Same thing with Wade and Rocketship XM. She is an absolute golddigger, and she will waste all of her money that she does have on all her frivolous lawsuits. Also if she keeps it up, I'll step in and make these movies available to everyone in the universe. She has no rights outside of Earth's sphere. We'll see about her little demands. The bitch.
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Post by Ford Prefect on May 4, 2019 16:22:05 GMT -5
Considering her track record with this stuff, I assume Shout will win. I'm very curious about what will happen to Susan Hart's catalog when she inevitably loses control of it. Considering how monomaniacal she's been at preventing anyone from using any of her material over the last 20 years, my assumption is that she probably has a trust set up so that when she dies it will also continue to prevent her films from being distributed in perpetuity unless some ridiculous monetary thresholds are met. Same thing with Wade and Rocketship XM. I'm well aware of Wade's desire to continue this nonsense with Rocketship XM beyond his death. I just have to wonder how badly anyone involved with these films aside from those two really want to continue to NOT make money off these half dozen old movies between now and when they fall into the public domain.
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 4, 2019 16:31:26 GMT -5
Considering how monomaniacal she's been at preventing anyone from using any of her material over the last 20 years, my assumption is that she probably has a trust set up so that when she dies it will also continue to prevent her films from being distributed in perpetuity unless some ridiculous monetary thresholds are met. Same thing with Wade and Rocketship XM. I'm well aware of Wade's desire to continue this nonsense with Rocketship XM beyond his death. I just have to wonder how badly anyone involved with these films aside from those two really want to continue to NOT make money off these half dozen old movies between now and when they fall into the public domain. Oh, I'm sure their kids/relatives are chomping at the bit to sell and license everything they can once dear old mom/dad passes this mortal coil. And I'm sure Susan/Wade know that, too. Hence setting up trusts specifically so that doesn't happen.
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Post by timmy on May 4, 2019 17:07:03 GMT -5
I'm well aware of Wade's desire to continue this nonsense with Rocketship XM beyond his death. I just have to wonder how badly anyone involved with these films aside from those two really want to continue to NOT make money off these half dozen old movies between now and when they fall into the public domain. Oh, I'm sure their kids/relatives are chomping at the bit to sell and license everything they can once dear old mom/dad passes this mortal coil. And I'm sure Susan/Wade know that, too. Hence setting up trusts specifically so that doesn't happen. a trust can be broken (calm they were not in there right mind when they made the trust)
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