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Post by amkr on Feb 28, 2015 2:28:18 GMT -5
I wish Shout! would continue releasing discs of the Rhino episodes they have the rights to. They do offer them digitally, but some of us want the option. Since the Shout! singles thing was evidently not cost-effective, maybe they could partner up with Amazon for some sort of burn-on-demand situation that you see with a number of cult shows? I think some sort of burn-on-demand release would be a great idea to offer some of the OOP episodes (or at least the public domain ones), and I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do that. People really like paying for a DVD-R with bad packaging, overpriced and bad labels? I can't see burn on demand EVER being worth it... I mean have you seen the picture quality on some of the Amazon Burn on demand titles? like "The Maxx" - looked awful.
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Post by amkr on Feb 28, 2015 2:31:15 GMT -5
Too bad we can't crowdsource funds for the major label ones. I'm pretty sure Paramount and Sony only care about cash, and aren't too invested in the material itself. Yes, I am aware this could never happen. Part of me still has a slim hope that if rights for TV were able to be negotiated for Diabolik, then a DVD release isn't totally impossible. (Yes, I know they are two separate things). Could never happen?? What about a Shout Factory Kickstarter?! Just look at Rifftrax!
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Post by amkr on Feb 28, 2015 2:40:18 GMT -5
I didn't want to start a new thread for this, because it's an insane pipe dream: Shout Factory is releasing the complete series sets for Stingray and Captain Scarlet. I can't imagine that means they'll be releasing K01 & K02, but man, wouldn't that be cool? They could even chop it up into multiple parts, spread them over the set and hide them as Easter Eggs. Again, insane pipe dream. But wouldn't it be cool? It would be awesome, but I doubt Joel or Jim Mallon would feel generous enough to do so. I understand they hate KTMA, as the strongest critic of my own works, I can related, but why not think of the fans over your personal distaste? Anyhow, couldn't find any evidence they were doing "Captain Scarlet", but "Stingray" I knew. I don't know if the episode transfers will be any better. All the same, I think I'll still stick with my A&E boxset. Part of that decision factors in the fact that Shout! lists the episodes as being in their transmission order - the problem with that is that it ruins the continuity of the episodes (at least the first ones). And I really don't have any problems with the quality of any of the Anderson DVD's, except for "Thunderbirds". If they do a DVD/Blu-Ray with the fullscreen Blu-ray transfers (only put in Japan), then I will buy that without question, because the 1990's "remasters" look better than the originals, sure, but they sucked even by 90's remastering standards. Sorry, that last part was unrelated, but given I love Gerry Anderson, that's something I could contribute to. I can see your view point on Jim Mallon, I've come to the conclusion that he's a real asshole [Tries to derail anything REMOTELY resembeling MST3K even by people who had more to do with it s creation than he ever did - Best Example = The Film Crew] who only cares about money. But I never got that impression from Joel, at all - even when I met him in person at the final Cinematic Titanic show. KTMA has real charm to it esp. to MSTies IMHO. They should respect that and release what the fans have been clammoring for for years; it would sell and make money! and honestly with Joel's [and everyone elses] HUGE library of awesome work, will anyone think "less of MST3K or any of their work" if they released the KTMA episodes? I think not...
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Post by gorncaptain on Feb 28, 2015 5:19:33 GMT -5
I think some sort of burn-on-demand release would be a great idea to offer some of the OOP episodes (or at least the public domain ones), and I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually do that. People really like paying for a DVD-R with bad packaging, overpriced and bad labels? I can't see burn on demand EVER being worth it... I mean have you seen the picture quality on some of the Amazon Burn on demand titles? like "The Maxx" - looked awful. You're basing your opinion on just one outfit that does MOD? Warner Bros. does a top notch job with theirs.
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Post by gorncaptain on Feb 28, 2015 5:24:29 GMT -5
I wish Shout! would continue releasing discs of the Rhino episodes they have the rights to. They do offer them digitally, but some of us want the option. Since the Shout! singles thing was evidently not cost-effective, maybe they could partner up with Amazon for some sort of burn-on-demand situation that you see with a number of cult shows? Blah, please don't even SUGGEST that burn on demand crap. You'd really rather an awesome quality streamed version [given you have a good router] that can be played on most devices vs. a crappy over priced DVD-R? Which a good ammount of devices do not recognize [IE Ps4] I would never want to pay for a burnt product. Plus physical medium is [sadly] history, in it's death throes. Digital is the future. There's a little roadblock to that rosy future. It's called bandwith caps. My neighbors who stream everything complain about it all the time. They'll stop making DVD's and Blu Rays the same day they stop making CD's and Vinyl Records.
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Post by kidflash on Feb 28, 2015 11:57:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I like streaming stuff, but it'll never be a replacement for discs/hard copies for me. An MOD program would particularly interest me (co-sign on the quality of WB discs).
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Feb 28, 2015 12:03:18 GMT -5
I'm more of a fan of physical copies than streaming to be honest. Streaming quality isn't always the best.
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Post by Ford Prefect on Mar 11, 2015 4:37:05 GMT -5
It would be awesome, but I doubt Joel or Jim Mallon would feel generous enough to do so. I understand they hate KTMA, as the strongest critic of my own works, I can related, but why not think of the fans over your personal distaste? Anyhow, couldn't find any evidence they were doing "Captain Scarlet", but "Stingray" I knew. I don't know if the episode transfers will be any better. All the same, I think I'll still stick with my A&E boxset. Part of that decision factors in the fact that Shout! lists the episodes as being in their transmission order - the problem with that is that it ruins the continuity of the episodes (at least the first ones). And I really don't have any problems with the quality of any of the Anderson DVD's, except for "Thunderbirds". If they do a DVD/Blu-Ray with the fullscreen Blu-ray transfers (only put in Japan), then I will buy that without question, because the 1990's "remasters" look better than the originals, sure, but they sucked even by 90's remastering standards. Sorry, that last part was unrelated, but given I love Gerry Anderson, that's something I could contribute to. I can see your view point on Jim Mallon, I've come to the conclusion that he's a real asshole [Tries to derail anything REMOTELY resembeling MST3K even by people who had more to do with it s creation than he ever did - Best Example = The Film Crew] who only cares about money. But I never got that impression from Joel, at all - even when I met him in person at the final Cinematic Titanic show. KTMA has real charm to it esp. to MSTies IMHO. They should respect that and release what the fans have been clammoring for for years; it would sell and make money! and honestly with Joel's [and everyone elses] HUGE library of awesome work, will anyone think "less of MST3K or any of their work" if they released the KTMA episodes? I think not... Personally, I would like to have MOD, download, and streaming as options. No reason for anybody to be left out. I'm not sure how that popular rumor with Mallon stopping The Film Crew got started. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but everytime I try to find a source for it, I eventually come to a "citation needed" road block. In one interview, Kevin said it died when the person in charge of the project at Rhino left and got replaced by someone else who wasn't interested in releasing stuff like that on DVD anymore. Whether Jim Mallon tried to stop them or not, The Film Crew was not going to last. They had no deal going with any network, the bottom fell out of the Direct To DVD market, and the film selections were entirely based around "I think we won't get sued if we riff these" logic. Rifftrax is much better from a distribution and film selection perspective. Joel dislikes the KTMA series as much as Jim does. He recently said he'd "feel guilty" if they actually put them out on the market with the more polished "official" episodes. Plus the KTMA series is basically a niche market within the already niche market of MST3K episodes. Even people who like them mostly like them for historical/completionist reasons rather than pure entertainment value. Plus there's possibly some additional legal trouble involved with those since they aren't BBI productions. BBI owns the show and the characters, but that footage may technically be owned by KTMA successor, WUCW. Not to mention that KTMA never went through the right legal loops to present the movies that way in the first place. I think they should try to get KTMA out there, but I think their reasons for not doing so are very understandable, especially since they don't have all 176 of the "official" episodes cleared for DVD release yet.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Mar 11, 2015 13:27:50 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought some KTMA episodes were pretty good, like Phase IV, SST Death Flight and even City on Fire. The only ones I weren't really a huge fan of were most of the Sandy Frank episodes.
I'm honestly just waiting for the day when BBI just says "Screw it." and just decides to destroy all the remaining KTMA episodes in a fire.
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Post by Prisoner416 on Mar 11, 2015 23:27:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought some KTMA episodes were pretty good, like Phase IV, SST Death Flight and even City on Fire. The only ones I weren't really a huge fan of were most of the Sandy Frank episodes. I'm honestly just waiting for the day when BBI just says "Screw it." and just decides to destroy all the remaining KTMA episodes in a fire. Don't even joke about that. That's happened to more works then I care to count.
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Post by Ford Prefect on Mar 12, 2015 5:27:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought some KTMA episodes were pretty good, like Phase IV, SST Death Flight and even City on Fire. The only ones I weren't really a huge fan of were most of the Sandy Frank episodes. I'm honestly just waiting for the day when BBI just says "Screw it." and just decides to destroy all the remaining KTMA episodes in a fire. Don't even joke about that. That's happened to more works then I care to count. If Jim Mallon ever gets lax with keeping the MST3K catalog on updated formats they won't have to be destroyed in a fire, they'll just slowly degrade over time like everything else. Fortunately he seems to be keeping pretty good care of the episodes and even released some footage from the "missing" episodes a while back, even though he didn't really have to. I think it's funny how people keep demanding him to release the "missing" episodes in particular when really none of the KTMA episodes were ever intended to be shown in their entirety to a national audience after 1989. Well circulated fan copies are the only reason we've had the opportunity to see the last 18.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Mar 12, 2015 21:21:32 GMT -5
Don't even joke about that. That's happened to more works then I care to count. If Jim Mallon ever gets lax with keeping the MST3K catalog on updated formats they won't have to be destroyed in a fire, they'll just slowly degrade over time like everything else. Fortunately he seems to be keeping pretty good care of the episodes and even released some footage from the "missing" episodes a while back, even though he didn't really have to. I think it's funny how people keep demanding him to release the "missing" episodes in particular when really none of the KTMA episodes were ever intended to be shown in their entirety to a national audience after 1989. Well circulated fan copies are the only reason we've had the opportunity to see the last 18. I actually agree. I don't consider those episodes "missing" anymore honestly - they're just episodes we don't have access to because no one recorded the episodes. What you said is true, though. We should at least be lucky people even recorded the last 18 episodes or else we would have no clue what KTMA really was like.
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Post by ProjectedPaul on Mar 25, 2015 21:59:57 GMT -5
Daniel Griffin just posted a photo on his Facebook page of him walking up the steps of Roger Corman's office, if you look closely. He says he's making a new feature-length documentary that's MST-related. I think this indicates that some of those American International Pictures movie episodes will get released. Might explain the delay on the titles for Volume XXXIII.
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Post by posturepal on Mar 26, 2015 6:25:55 GMT -5
Maybe another release (Deathstalker) coming out of the Ballyhoo poll.
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Post by markymark on Mar 27, 2015 9:22:06 GMT -5
Daniel Griffin just posted a photo on his Facebook page of him walking up the steps of Roger Corman's office, if you look closely. He says he's making a new feature-length documentary that's MST-related. I think this indicates that some of those American International Pictures movie episodes will get released. Might explain the delay on the titles for Volume XXXIII. I fully agree.. maybe a set with all of those AIP titles could be coming..Im very anxious. The AIP titles that Lionsgate released are OOP I think..Lionsgate no longer has them but Shout seems to have gotten them
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