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Post by travis on Jul 1, 2006 18:55:25 GMT -5
I don't know if Rhino really had to pay through the nose to get Godzilla VS. Megalon like we think they do. I mean it IS a public domain title and it was only speculated that it MAY never be released because Godzilla is a trademarked character. But who the hell cares it's still being released.... WOOO HOOO! Godzilla vs. Megalon isn't public domain, and hasn't been for years. Has van hagar or whomever made the "possibility of MST episodes being released" updated that list yet, given the release of Volume 9 and what's coming out on Volume 10? I could work on that list if anyone wanted me to. I had a bunch of info that VanHagar was going to update it with. Hopefully Rhino did go through the proper channels, otherwise me might have another AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN incident. Anyhoo, Rhino has a very good amount of titles available to them to release on future sets (both PD and cheapies). |
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jul 1, 2006 19:49:21 GMT -5
I don't know if Rhino really had to pay through the nose to get Godzilla VS. Megalon like we think they do. I mean it IS a public domain title and it was only speculated that it MAY never be released because Godzilla is a trademarked character. But who the hell cares it's still being released.... WOOO HOOO! They may not have paid through the nose, but it's funny because I have a theory which I was going to put in my one Likelihood thread. My idea was that the only likeliness is that GoodTimes may be going out of business soon, and in a last ditch effort to help either A) make some fast money, B) try and help pay off debts is to lease the rights to Rhino Home Video. Of course, the good news is that even if Sony buys up the rights after GoodTimes goes under (if it does), then even they'll have to honor the contract. Torgo, maybe you could talk to those in the Godzilla community and see if anyone knows what's going down. I'd be intrested to hear. (though I doubt anyone else would) If Godzilla vs. Megalon was pure PD, it would have been released LONG ago. It was originally announced in 1997, and then they never released it. It would have been released on VHS in those original releases before they started doing DVDs. Like I said, Rhino is really making a better effort. Maybe they heard our cries of disapporval. |
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Post by travis on Jul 1, 2006 20:08:31 GMT -5
They may not have paid through the nose, but it's funny because I have a theory which I was going to put in my one Likelihood thread. My idea was that the only likeliness is that GoodTimes may be going out of business soon, and in a last ditch effort to help either A) make some fast money, B) try and help pay off debts is to lease the rights to Rhino Home Video. Of course, the good news is that even if Sony buys up the rights after GoodTimes goes under (if it does), then even they'll have to honor the contract. Torgo, maybe you could talk to those in the Godzilla community and see if anyone knows what's going down. I'd be intrested to hear. (though I doubt anyone else would) I'm one from the Godzilla community, and hopefully will get some info soon. Your theory about Goodtimes sounds good, hell, Rhino might have even bought their film library (just a wild idea..). I'm worried that if Rhino didn't get an OK from Toho (which they would very likely need to), the set may get stomped-out. |
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Post by jetjaguar15 on Jul 1, 2006 20:50:04 GMT -5
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Post by Torgo on Jul 2, 2006 1:48:14 GMT -5
I don't know if Rhino really had to pay through the nose to get Godzilla VS. Megalon like we think they do. I mean it IS a public domain title and it was only speculated that it MAY never be released because Godzilla is a trademarked character. But who the hell cares it's still being released.... WOOO HOOO! They may not have paid through the nose, but it's funny because I have a theory which I was going to put in my one Likelihood thread. My idea was that the only likeliness is that GoodTimes may be going out of business soon, and in a last ditch effort to help either A) make some fast money, B) try and help pay off debts is to lease the rights to Rhino Home Video. Of course, the good news is that even if Sony buys up the rights after GoodTimes goes under (if it does), then even they'll have to honor the contract. Torgo, maybe you could talk to those in the Godzilla community and see if anyone knows what's going down. I'd be intrested to hear. (though I doubt anyone else would) If Godzilla vs. Megalon was pure PD, it would have been released LONG ago. It was originally announced in 1997, and then they never released it. It would have been released on VHS in those original releases before they started doing DVDs. Like I said, Rhino is really making a better effort. Maybe they heard our cries of disapporval. I don't think anybody knows what's going down with Godzilla vs. Megalon much more than I do. Even still, I keep my message board viewing to a bare minimum nowadays. I lurk at the Toho Kingdom board, and someone did bring the MSTed version up recently, and there are a few things said, but all speculation.But as you mentioned, Goodtimes does have distribution rights to Megalon, but it is going out of business, so the film rights are soon, or perhaps already are, up in the air. I do know that a few DVDs of Megalon have been released, but they've been pulled because proper rights weren't given to them. At this point, I can only suggest one thing, ask Rhino. |
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Post by travis on Jul 3, 2006 8:31:32 GMT -5
THE LOWDOWN: Hi everyone, I contacted Toho International, and they did not authorize Rhino's release.  Damn. Hopefully they'll have an episode ready to replace it (throw on a PD episode like Gila Monster instead). |
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Post by soundandvision on Jul 3, 2006 8:45:15 GMT -5
THE LOWDOWN: Hi everyone, I contacted Toho International, and they did not authorize Rhino's release. Damn. Hopefully they'll have an episode ready to replace it (throw on a PD episode like Gila Monster instead). I'm sure they covered all the bases they needed to in order to get the rights to included MST3K episode 212. |
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Post by Wild Rebel on Jul 3, 2006 9:02:50 GMT -5
THE LOWDOWN: Hi everyone, I contacted Toho International, and they did not authorize Rhino's release.  Huh? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but....after the crap they went through with Amazing Colossal Man and having to drop Beginning of the End, I can't believe they would announce a set.....or make up cover art....until all of the t's were crossed and the i's dotted on movie rights. Perhaps Toho doesn't have the last word on the rights of G vs M anymore. They may not like Rhino releasing it and haven't given it their blessing.... Of course it sounds like they didn't know before. I guess if they decided to take legal action now, we'll know who to thank for tipping them off.  And speaking of PD movies....there are still so many episodes that they haven't released where the films are in the public domain. How about an all PD set next time...say in September? Beast of Yucca Flats
Ring of Terror
Giant Gila Monster
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Post by gfanikf on Jul 3, 2006 9:19:44 GMT -5
THE LOWDOWN: Hi everyone, I contacted Toho International, and they did not authorize Rhino's release. Damn. Hopefully they'll have an episode ready to replace it (throw on a PD episode like Gila Monster instead). DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY INFO! Let them do there on damn homework. Maybe the release can come out quickly and some copies can come out. Screw Toho. I just home some fanboy nerd who want to be Tohos bitches dont do so. I know Travis wont though but sadly there are people like that in the godzilla fandom I think its obviousy what happened. GT's sublicensed it. |
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Post by Captain Wrong on Jul 3, 2006 9:44:25 GMT -5
THE LOWDOWN: Hi everyone, I contacted Toho International, and they did not authorize Rhino's release. Huh? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but....after the crap they went through with Amazing Colossal Man and having to drop Beginning of the End, I can't believe they would announce a set.....or make up cover art....until all of the t's were crossed and the i's dotted on movie rights. I kind of feel the same way. Rhino is a big company and considering other smaller companies have tried to put out Megalon and had to pull them (Alpha and Passion, two public domain companies,) I'd find it real hard to believe they wouldn't have fully investigated it before announcing it. That said, I know Goodtimes is supposed to have rights, but I've always been curious why, if they do, they haven't put out a DVD themselves. I'm also really curious if their rights would allow them to sublicense to Rhino for this. I'm no copywright lawyer, but I find this stuff interesting.  Oh, and concerning the other Godzilla film, I really really doubt there's any way that will ever come out legit as Film Ventures who MST3K got it from didn't have the rights, as far as I've ever been able to tell. Heck, even though it's announced and I'd like to think Rhino knows what they're doing, I'm still skeptical we'll see Megalon. |
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Post by travis on Jul 3, 2006 9:55:17 GMT -5
Hopefully this will all get straightened out, and we'll still be getting a set in August. With or without Megalon. Beats me why they're not putting more PD-movie episodes on these sets (thereby cutting the costs down for each one). That said, I know Goodtimes is supposed to have rights, but I've always been curious why, if they do, they haven't put out a DVD themselves. I'm also really curious if their rights would allow them to sublicense to Rhino for this. I'm no copywright lawyer, but I find this stuff interesting. I don't think Goodtimes could sub-lisence it, Toho they said they have all the rights "in and to.." Megalon. I'm curious to know Rhino's side of this story.. It's much more likely we'll see the GAMERA episodes on DVD actually. Rhino should get in contact with Kadakowa about 'em. |
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Post by Wild Rebel on Jul 3, 2006 10:19:56 GMT -5
It's much more likely we'll see the GAMERA episodes on DVD actually. Rhino should get in contact with Kadakowa about 'em. It wouldn't matter if they okay it. The rights to the English dialogue that dubbed in is owned by Sandy Frank. If they did get the Gamera films (or Time of the Apes, Mighty Jack or Fugitive Alien) it would be with different dialogue and the riffs probably wouldn't make sense. |
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Post by Torgo on Jul 3, 2006 11:27:50 GMT -5
That said, I know Goodtimes is supposed to have rights, but I've always been curious why, if they do, they haven't put out a DVD themselves. I'm also really curious if their rights would allow them to sublicense to Rhino for this. I think it probably has to do with financial woes. I haven't heard from Goodtime very often since DVD bumped VHS off. Goodtime does have one Godzilla release under their belts, an old out of print King Kong vs. Godzilla DVD that was full screen and reportedly very poor quality. But that was way back in 1998 and long off the market, so if they haven't released Megalon by now, they probably don't intend to. Luckily KKvG got a widescreen, decent quality release from Universal to tie in with the new King Kong remake, and with Megalon's rights up in the air, chances are they'll be thrown to Sony or Classic Media. I prefer Classic Media, because even though their new Godzilla discs haven't hit shelves, I can already tell they're the best on the market. I'd love to hear a commentary on Megalon, just to fleash out more of the spaced out decisions behind it. |
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Post by Wild Rebel on Jul 3, 2006 12:12:21 GMT -5
Okay, guys. Know a big-time Godzilla junkie from another board who gave me a link to the current standing on the rights of different Godzilla films. "Keith also mentioned the situation with some titles currently owned in the US market by other companies. Films that were addressed include:
- Godzilla vs. Megalon (1973): still under contract in the US with Goodtimes. However, the company is in the middle of bankruptcy, which leaves the film without a US distributor until another company buys Goodtimes assets, or the contract expires."G vs M belongs to Goodtimes. Toho has no say in it. Maybe the people at Toho had weak english skills....or they said they didn't okay Rhino's release but didn't want to admit that it wasn't their property at the moment. (good to see that Godzilla 1985 could be released soon) |
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Post by ashkenaz on Jul 3, 2006 12:21:36 GMT -5
I still agree that i don't think Rhino would give a release date with the cover art without owning the film first. Sure this happened back in 97 but that was almost 10 years ago, they would've learned by now. Plus Rhino is alot bigger now than they were then. I don't think we will have any problems and the release will come out as planned. Seems like Goodtimes is trying to make a quick buck since they are financially unstable.
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