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Post by nightfalcawk on Jul 29, 2005 20:11:57 GMT -5
sucks ass. Tim Burton needs to stop doing remakes. Seriously. I really wish movies would stop trying to ruin classic characters by "explaining" how they got a certain way. The new Wonka movie was much closer to the book, but the rapping Oompa Loompas, the back story behind Willy Wonka, and just the hollow feel of the film really ****ed it up. It reminded me of The Grinch, with the pointless back stories that explain how a characters, bland child actors, and Hollywoodized style. Terrible. Movies these days are not about people, but situations. Depp is a great actor, but this is once of his worst performances. Gene Wilder made a much better Willy Wonka. Maybe it's just my nostalgia talking. The old Wonka film is one of my all-time favorites. The new one was HORRIBLE. Besides, what is Tim Burton's problem with not including the title character. "Batman" should have been called "Jack Nicholson", "Batman Returns" should have been called "Danny DeVito", and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factroy" should be called "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". What a piece of crap. I hate Hollywood. Charlie and the Chocolate factory is the book's original name. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is technically the wrong name. And I agree about the backstory. It was pretty tedious.
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Post by princesstoadstool on Jul 29, 2005 20:24:06 GMT -5
Too many goddamn remakes this summer. Remakes must die.
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Post by donmac on Jul 29, 2005 20:25:34 GMT -5
Put me in the group that likes all three versions of the story. I read the Roald Dahl book as a kid and grew up with the Gene Wilder movie, so I like both of those versions. So I was uneasily looking forward to this version, but ended up liking it too. I like that this new version returned to the book and got a lot of stuff closer to what was written (I loved the squirrels scene!). I also liked that it showed what happened to the other kids at the end, which was also in the book. I did think it overdid the backstory with Willy's dad (which is not from the book), but that wasn't enough to sink the movie. And I think the original movie's songs were much better than the new version's songs. But the new movie is still a very good adaptation of the Roald Dahl novel and a good movie to boot.
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Post by Ratso on Jul 29, 2005 20:26:29 GMT -5
Too many goddamn remakes this summer. Remakes must die. I like the way you think.
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Post by princesstoadstool on Jul 29, 2005 20:27:41 GMT -5
I did like the music in the beginning, though
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Post by silvermorgan on Jul 30, 2005 13:56:42 GMT -5
I was a big of fan of the Gene Wilder version. I used to rent that movie weekly when I was a kid. So I was really interested in seeing what Burton and Depp do with this remake. I've been a big Burton fan. I loved Beetlejuice and Batman. I was a fan of the Nightmare Before Christmas and I'm sure I'll be seeing The Corpse Bride. And the Burton/Depp duo in Ed Wood was fantastic.
I thought the new, darker version of Willy Wonka was great. Depp did a wonderful job, as expected. And the set design / computer graphics were a lot of fun. And the dark humor that accompanied the film was a nice touch that original never quite grasped.
I do agree some of the music was a bit goofy. But I have to admit I was giggling incessantly at the metal performance of the oompa loompa's. It was so wrong, yet so funny.
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Post by donmac on Jul 31, 2005 9:52:21 GMT -5
I do agree some of the music was a bit goofy. But I have to admit I was giggling incessantly at the metal performance of the oompa loompa's. It was so wrong, yet so funny. I really liked Deep Roy as all of the Oompa Loompas. I thought that part of the movie worked great! Although the Oompa Loompa songs in the 1971 movie were better, I think the depiction of them in this movie was closer to the spirit of the novel. And one subtext I got out of the Oompa Loompas in this version is how it is a lot like Corporate America these days. I mean, the Big Factory fires all of the local workers and then imports a lot of workers in from overseas who work for beans (cocoa beans, but beans nonetheless) to save money, without a care at all to the resulting depression effects on the local economy. And the fact that Deep Roy is of Indian descent (most of the contractors I've worked with are from India) makes the subtext even stronger.
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Post by silvermorgan on Aug 2, 2005 17:27:21 GMT -5
I do agree some of the music was a bit goofy. But I have to admit I was giggling incessantly at the metal performance of the oompa loompa's. It was so wrong, yet so funny. I really liked Deep Roy as all of the Oompa Loompas. I thought that part of the movie worked great! Although the Oompa Loompa songs in the 1971 movie were better, I think the depiction of them in this movie was closer to the spirit of the novel. And one subtext I got out of the Oompa Loompas in this version is how it is a lot like Corporate America these days. I mean, the Big Factory fires all of the local workers and then imports a lot of workers in from overseas who work for beans (cocoa beans, but beans nonetheless) to save money, without a care at all to the resulting depression effects on the local economy. And the fact that Deep Roy is of Indian descent (most of the contractors I've worked with are from India) makes the subtext even stronger. Good points. I had never thought of that, but that makes complete sense. I also have to point out how great I thought Violet's mom was. Did anybody else notice when she walked she bent her arms and moved stiffly like a conventional Barbie Doll come to life?
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Post by Don Quixote on Aug 2, 2005 18:00:25 GMT -5
Plus, the actress' last name is 'Pyle.' Guess what I'm going to do while I watch the movie?
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Post by nightfalcawk on Aug 2, 2005 18:09:16 GMT -5
Once you think of it, Willy Wonka has Communist overtones. Charlie, the proletariat, is given the factory. The other kids represent the bad parts of Capitalism (excessiveness, competitiveness, etc.) and they are purged by Willy Wonka, who represents Stalin. Plus the Oompa-loompas who all work for the equal pay of cocao beans.
It's fun to over-analyze.
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Post by Don Quixote on Aug 2, 2005 18:11:39 GMT -5
Once you think of it, Willy Wonka has Communist overtones. Charlie, the proletariat, is given the factory. The other kids represent the bad parts of Capitalism (excessiveness, competitiveness, etc.) and they are purged by Willy Wonka, who represents Stalin. Plus the Oompa-loompas who all work for the equal pay of cocao beans. It's fun to over-analyze. One can make the same argument for 'The Smurfs' and 'Super Mario Bros.' In fact, I have. But good point.
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Post by donmac on Aug 5, 2005 22:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by donmac on Aug 6, 2005 16:04:39 GMT -5
Forrest, it's obvious you have nostalgia for the old version of the movie. That's fine, I grew up with the movie too, but I've always liked the novel better and the new movie is much closer to the novel than the old one. And, as I more or less said in my review, all version of this story are good, so who could honestly complain about that?
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Aug 21, 2005 20:56:22 GMT -5
I saw it yesterday.
It was pretty good, but nothing when compared to the original. I can see the Jackson parallels, but I think that's so minor or maybe even coincidental. That's all.
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Post by Don Quixote on Aug 21, 2005 22:49:28 GMT -5
I saw it tonight. Not a bad movie. I liked Gene Wilder better as Willy Wonka, and I felt the whole 'Reconcilliation with the Father' seemed tacked-on. I really wasn't a huge fan of the first film, although I admit it was done well, it just didn't do anything for me. I enjoyed Deep Roy as the Oompa-Loompas more than the orange midgets (or 'little people' which I find no less demeaning). What I didn't really like was that all the 'bad' children seemed to have no other facets, with no redeaming qualities like the partial innocence the 'bad' children seemed to have in the original. The 1's and 0's were really good in it though, they seemed to inhance the scale of the factory.
Actually, the thing that I found coolest about the movie was the previews for 'Zombie Bride.' It actually seemed pretty cool.
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