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Post by vanhagar3000 on Sept 18, 2005 16:44:46 GMT -5
I've never seen a Star Trek pic, does that mean I'm not a nerd?
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Post by Don Quixote on Sept 18, 2005 17:10:21 GMT -5
It means you're not a mainstream nerd . Seriously though VH, they're worth a look. You don't have to like them, but I'd probably reccommend First Contact or Wrath of Kahn for your first film. But nah, you're still a nerd. You belong to a Mystery Science Theatre 3000 discussion board!
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Post by tomservo92 on Sept 18, 2005 17:21:01 GMT -5
But nah, you're still a nerd. You belong to a Mystery Science Theatre 3000 discussion board! Gooble Gable! Gooble Gable! One of us! One of us!
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Post by Shep on Sept 18, 2005 17:33:39 GMT -5
Wrath of Khan all the way.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Sept 18, 2005 17:50:40 GMT -5
It's not that I DON'T want to see them. I love watching the original series (but am not a Trekkie). Just I've never been at the right time and place.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 18, 2005 18:45:59 GMT -5
Well, I suggest a viewing of them all at least once, since they all have their own merits. Wrath of Khan is a great place to start if you love the original series.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Sept 18, 2005 18:48:47 GMT -5
I don't know, I've heard some bad things about V.
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Post by Shep on Sept 18, 2005 18:53:23 GMT -5
I don't know, I've heard some bad things about V. V is pretty awful. "The Motion Picture" is pretty poor, too. Kind've a poor man's 2001. LOL If I were you I'd check out "Wrath of Khan" and probably scrap the rest. 2 is very true to the spirit of the original series.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 18, 2005 18:57:02 GMT -5
I don't know, I've heard some bad things about V. V is definatly not as bad as it's reputation. It's one of the weakest, that's a given, but less than a 5.0 on IMDB? That's bull. The film does have great character moments that are lacking in the other films.
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Post by Don Quixote on Sept 19, 2005 0:11:27 GMT -5
I don't know, I've heard some bad things about V. V is definatly not as bad as it's reputation. It's one of the weakest, that's a given, but less than a 5.0 on IMDB? That's bull. The film does have great character moments that are lacking in the other films. I wish the Shat hadn't ran out of money. There was this really cool ending scripted wherein they had actually met Satan. Plus, there were supposed to be assloads of rock men and stuff. The only major complaint I had was how tacked-on the Scottie-Uhura romance seemed. I still love Five. It's just so... epic (to use a Brecht word).
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Sept 19, 2005 6:33:39 GMT -5
V is definatly not as bad as it's reputation. It's one of the weakest, that's a given, but less than a 5.0 on IMDB? That's bull. The film does have great character moments that are lacking in the other films. I wish the Shat hadn't ran out of money. There was this really cool ending scripted wherein they had actually met Satan. So they didn't have enough money to hire Carrot Top?
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Post by donmac on Sept 19, 2005 11:07:23 GMT -5
So if you haven't seen this movie in this improved DVD "Director's Edition" then you should definitely go rent the disc soon! I've seen it, and although it was an improvement, it wasn't good enough to move any place in my ranking. It still remained a beautiful film to look at, however it was still a film where the characters stared minutes at a time out windows and is still easily the most poorly paced film in the series. Although I'm glad they left that hilarious wormhole sequence in, that didn't really help matters either. I really don't think the pacing is an issue anymore. ST: TMP was made "Epic Film" style, so a certain "lingering grandeur" is an inherent component of that style of filmmaking (see Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia for other examples of the "Epic Filmmaking" style). This style makes a movie slower-paced, but gives the film a larger sense of scale and an feeling of importance. However, for an epic-style film to work, the musical score has to be up-to-snuff to carry the epic scenes, and Jerry Goldsmith's score for ST: TMP is just that. So a lot of the wordless scenes in the movie that are there to give a sense of scale work because (a) the visuals are great, and (b) the musical score is great. For instance, the long Drydock sequence, which exists to show just how large the Enterprise is, and then the long fly-through inside V'Ger, in which scale is again communicated as the large starship Enterprise is then completely dwarfed by the immense size of V'Ger, are two sequences that are held together by great visuals and great music. The movie is still flawed (like the lame "Wormhole" sequence - which is at least improved in the Director's Edition because that scene was even more lame in the earlier cut, the awful uniforms, and some poor line-reading), but pacing is no longer one of its flaws because the pacing now matches the epic filmmaking style.
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Post by donmac on Sept 19, 2005 11:52:38 GMT -5
Although I'm a Star Trek fan, I'm hardly an expert given that the only ST series that I watched and know very well were Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The Next Generation. However, the movies all came from these two series and a lot of the movies seem to be inspired in some way by episodes from the series.
Using TV.com to provide some episode info, here's what I've noticed:
Star Trek (I): The Motion Picture - sort of a remake of ST:TOS episode "The Changeling" (about a 300-year-old Earth space probe that's now super-intelligent and dangerous) with a bit of the "Doomsday Machine" (about a large destructive space weapon that features Matt Decker, William Decker's dad) and "The Immunity Syndrome" (about a gigantic space amoeba that traps the Enterprise inside) episodes mixed in. These were three of the best episodes of ST:TOS.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - direct sequel to the ST:TOS episode "Space Seed" which introduced Khan Noonien Singh (Ricardo Montalban). This was also one of the best episodes of ST:TOS.
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock - no ties to any TV episode that I know of, but is a direct sequel to the events in ST II.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - a direct sequel to the events in ST III, but also seems to be partially inspired by the ST:TOS episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday" (one of the "whimsical" episodes, which was about the Enterprise returning to present-day - 1968, that is - Earth and getting into complicated predicaments while trying to leave without changing history)
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - seems to be a remake of ST:TOS episode "The Way to Eden" (which was about space hippies trying to find the real Garden of Eden planet). This was one of the worst episodes of ST:TOS, so no wonder ST V sucks so hard.
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - no ties to any TV episode that I know of and a stand-alone movie too, but definitely in the tradition of Star Trek stories being inspired by real-life events, in this case, the fall of the Soviet Union. Plus there is a ST:TNG 2-parter called "Unification" with Spock in it that references the events in this movie.
Star Trek (VII): Generations - no ties to any TV episode that I know of
Star Trek (VIII): First Contact - in many ways a sequel to the ST:TNG 2-parter "The Best of Both Worlds" in which Picard is assimulated by the Borg. Also references the ST:TOS episode "Metamorphosis" due to the presence of Zefram Cochrane.
Star Trek (IX): Insurrection - no ties to any TV episode that I know of
Star Trek (X): Nemesis - no ties to any TV episode that I know of, but seems to be a sort of "Next Generation" remake of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, although not nearly as good.
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Post by Don Quixote on Sept 19, 2005 11:59:04 GMT -5
I wish the Shat hadn't ran out of money. There was this really cool ending scripted wherein they had actually met Satan. So they didn't have enough money to hire Carrot Top? No they didn't . I would've loved to see Laurance Luckinbill (Sybok) beat the living piss out of Carrot Top though.
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Post by kronos on Sept 19, 2005 12:28:59 GMT -5
KHAN!!!!!
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