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Post by Nunyerbiz on Dec 6, 2006 15:09:42 GMT -5
I will agree that there is a lot of movie bashing over at the Rifftrax forum and the atmosphere isn't nearly as laid back as over here, but I still don't think it's a bad place to visit/post/discuss. The general vibe I've had from visiting has been friendly for the most part and there is nothing wrong with a snotty internet debate every once in a while.
As far as Rifftrax choice of movies, I find it refreshing that they are going after some "quality" fare along with the stinkers. What's the point of going after a good movie? Well, it's the same point as going after a bad movie... to make funny jokes. I don't see how the percieved quality of the subject movie has any bearing on the humor value that Mike / Kevin / Bill / whoever can come up with.
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Post by Jackie Frost on Dec 6, 2006 15:21:11 GMT -5
I'd like to hear Gammer73's opinon. He sort of straddles the fence of Mst3kdom and The Republic of Riff-trax. Plus he has a nice Riff-trax review site. So what about it Gammer? What's your opinion if you read this, that is?
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Post by gammer on Dec 6, 2006 22:29:49 GMT -5
I'd like to hear Gammer73's opinon. He sort of straddles the fence of Mst3kdom and The Republic of Riff-trax. Plus he has a nice Riff-trax review site. So what about it Gammer? What's your opinion if you read this, that is? I like both forums. I tend to hang out "there" more then here, but thats 'cause I feel most of the MST topics here are exasperated, and the rifftrax stuff is fresh. If the RiffTrax part of this forum was more active, then I'd hang out here more often...I like the people here better But sometimes I feel like I am the only one starting new posts here. The RiffTrax forum definitely has a more 'competitive' feel to it. For the most part I ignore the complaining and whining on the RiffTrax forum. I get the feeling that some people there are just posting to watch there post count grow. I'm a *bit* more into quality posting, as apposed to quantity posting. I'd rather find out why you want "troll 2" riffed as apposed to "OMG!!!! Riff Troll 2 now!!!!" One thing I will agree on, RiffTrax needs to start riffing movies that are not so good. They were doing good with movies like Road House, Cocktail, Crossroads & Top Gun. But lately I find the RiffTrax are a little bit flat and I find myself just watching them just to "get through it". The riffing in many average MST eps is better then some of the riffing they have been producing lately. I don't know why this is? It could be the frequency of how often they are released...Maybe Mike/Kevin are just going through the motions too? I dont know. But I have said in my reviews and I'll say it again now: I think the movies that work, are the cheesy 80's and 90's movies; stuff from IMDB's bottom 100 list. For the most part, these movies are easily obtainable on DVD, and they are funny. There has even been comments coming out in the RiffTrax forum from other members suggesting this. So we are not alone in thinking this.
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Post by MSTJedi on Dec 7, 2006 8:33:27 GMT -5
I have to admit I've been cruising the Rifftrax forum a lot more than this one lately, but I think gammer hit the nail on the head in saying that a lot of the topics here have run their course and Rifftrax is something new. Funny enough, though, is how little I actually post over there since a lot of the time it does get competitive and I'd rather not get into it.
As for Rifftrax itself, I love it when they do more recent, decent movies because most of them are movies I already own and love. I think my favorite right now would be Fellowship of the Rings, actually. The only one that caused me any distress was Phantom Menace because it opened my fanboy eyes to just how much of a stinker the movie really is - and I still found it very funny. I like the mix they have of good and bad. I'm sure there are plenty of movies they would've loved to tackle during MST3K, but couldn't because of cost issues in getting the rights to them. That's what's so brilliant about Rifftrax. They can do whatever they want now and I'm loving it. Besides, I'm still a little hesitant to go rent Crossroads.
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Post by BathTub on Dec 7, 2006 8:56:47 GMT -5
I do think it's funny that people talking about which movies they think are bad over at the rifftrax forum is seen as a bad thing. Same with the 'new and popular' movies issue, they want the rifftrax to sell, for people to be able to find the movies, this isn't just for people like us who actually buy stuff like The Unearthly on DVD and have it lying around ;D
That would be a tiny, tiny, market. Everybody has their idea of what should be riffed. Which of course is a lot of what the forum is about. But I certainly don't think it is an unpleasant forum. In fact I would say the trolling is very low.
The whole language rating thing was some early 'blow out' but it stands out because there really hasn't been much similar that I can think of.
I just made my 14th Rifftrax DVD (Only Roadhouse and Island of Dr M to go!), but I am the obsessive compulsive type. The guys set their own schedule, that is why they don't tell us what the next rifftrax is until it is almost done.
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Another point would be that Legend Films and Mike will be very very familiar with what sells, since each is a film by film sale, so if the market obviously favours a type of movie then I am sure we will see a lean towards that.
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Post by JoshWay on Dec 7, 2006 12:28:41 GMT -5
Another aspect of the RiffTrax board that deserves a mention is the mods. They're all Legend employees, and they're very friendly and helpful. I mentioned a technical problem I was having, not even asking for assistance, and the problem was addressed in minutes.
And for me, the good/bad movies debate isn't so clear cut. I agree with the majority in that I'd rather see bad movies riffed than good ones, but those definitions are so subjective that it becomes foggy.
I enjoyed The Matrix riff because, even though I regard it as a fairly important and well made movie, it bugs the hell out of me and it was fun to see it get blasted. Cocktail, on the other hand, seems like perfect riff fodder, but I really disliked it because the movie bothered me so much. That is one tedious movie.
On MST3K my favorite movies were the black and white monster flicks and the bizarre dubbed Russo-Finnish epics. With RiffTrax, it's nice to see them take on modern cheese like Road House. Personally, I'd be happy if Mike just went through Mega Cheese and checked off the titles one by one.
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Post by MSTJedi on Dec 7, 2006 13:21:11 GMT -5
Personally, I'd be happy if Mike just went through Mega Cheese and checked off the titles one by one. That's a good idea, actually. With that and IMDB's Worst 100, Mike would have a good deal of his work in choosing the next movie taken care of.
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Post by BathTub on Dec 7, 2006 13:48:48 GMT -5
Well we have just had Firewall and Dr Moreau, hard to argue the quality of those 2, I think we are due for a christmas film now, unless they plan on working right till mid/late december.
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Post by mrtorso on Dec 7, 2006 15:08:01 GMT -5
I like both forums as well. I "hang" out there more than here for the sole reason that Rifftrax is new and current and you get a lot of interaction from the people that make the Rifftrax. The forum isn't even 6 months old yet and they are still making refinements and adding new sections to make things run smoother and clean it up.
I tend to stick with the various custom cover threads in the individual Rifftrax boards and I like playing the games they put up. I avoid the suggest-a-trax threads as they bore me to tears.
Earlier in this thread some one suggested that the Rifftrax forum users are not Misties which I find very hard to believe. I know there have been threads on the subject and as far as I know there hasn't been a single person on the Rifftrax forum that wasn't a fan of MST3K and that is the reason why they are there. I haven't seen anyone posting on there saying they found the site from Digg or You Tube and has never watched MST3K before.
I agree with Gammer about how they should do the cheeseball movies. Road House is my favorite still and I prefer the Mike solo ones to the guest riffer ones, although Island or Dr. Moreau was my favorite team up so far.
The only arguments I have seen were the various "bawdiness" threads which led to the "this isn't MST3K 2.0" fights.
Sure, there are things that bug me like one particular user who has made a couple threads saying they should bring back MST3K as if it was up to Best Brains or Mike and he uses a ridiculously large signature picture but other than that most users seem cool to me.
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Post by Road_Element on Dec 7, 2006 22:40:07 GMT -5
Personally i dont have anything against the mods. There pretty nice & so are most of the people there. I think its just all the constant tashing of movies that i cant stand anymore. The Matrix was pretty funny which after watching X-men. I wasnt so sure it would be. One of thing i liked about the Matrix. Was that they made fun of the movie itself and not so much the people in the movie. No offence but the constant jokes in Star Wars about Jar Jar being annoying & Lucas being stupid where more annoying then Jar Jar himself. Not that Jar Jar isnt annoying. Still a good rifftrax. Anyways most of the movies are funny and i hope im not complaining to much because most of the movies done have been bad & has been o.k. to good to great. Anyways gammer73 thanks for letting me know im not alone on this subject. I know alot people dont want to rent/buy these movies. But should we stay away from them just because of that. Not that im totally against doing good movies. But it would be nice if there done like the Matrix and not so much like Star Wars. Anyways this is just my opinion. Sorry if i bored anyone.
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Post by BathTub on Dec 8, 2006 0:45:01 GMT -5
I quite agree, that is why I say Star Wars was more Mean than Funny, and I don't rate it highly compared to say the Matrix or STV.
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Post by doctorz on Dec 11, 2006 11:38:03 GMT -5
I've tried to hang out in the Rifftrax forum, but just can't. I don't know why exactly. It seems more 'fanboy' oriented than this place with some very talented, but also very competitive individuals dominating the board. I've only posted about 30 messages and my visits get less and less frequent every week.
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Post by Famous Mortimer on Dec 21, 2006 7:43:41 GMT -5
It's a forum much like any other, really, with its fair share of assholes and cool people.
But the biggest problem seems to be a complete lack of any criticism of Mike. Some of the riffs aren't that funny but the number of people who feel able to say that is a lot smaller than the proportion of people here who admit to not liking a particular episode of MST.
Good movies just don't work as well to rip on, because good movies by their very nature hold your attention. There's more than enough crap out there that he should never need to get to the good stuff.
Lastly, the thing about "big" movies being stuff people are already likely to have. I'll bet any amount of money you like that more people on the Rifftrax board own some crap like "Troll 2" than owned a copy of "Crossroads" before Mike riffed it. And by its very nature it's an online community, and with films easier and easier to get hold of the whole "we can only riff popular movies" argument is blown out of the water.
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Post by BathTub on Dec 21, 2006 13:35:37 GMT -5
Just because people want to kiss his ass doesn't mean we can't criticize him on the board, I gave Star Wars a 4/10 on the rank-a-riff and said why too. It's fairly natural that the fans outnumber the dissenters, but there is no pressure.
And just because crazies like us might have Troll 2 on DVD doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot, they are targetting a slightly wider market. And availability to the general public counts for a lot, I know I couldn't go rent Troll 2 if I wanted to. I am sure sales will count too. If stuff like Crossroads sells well under say Top Gun, then we will get less Britney and more Dangerzone. It is all early days.
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Post by Road_Element on Dec 22, 2006 1:04:36 GMT -5
There dose seem to be a little to much butt kissing on the Rifftrax Forum. But i guess your going to get that on any fan forum. Even tho i really dont consider every thing mike dose is great. Overall i think the most unfunny rifftrax ive have seen so far has to be X-men & Point Break. When it comes to X-men. As a comic fan, the jokes about the names , powers & costumes are just kinda stupid. All that stuff is what makes comics interesting. The Fantasy is all apart of the fun of comics. I didnt like Point Break because of alot of the jokes where pretty lame. That and also the polictal jokes. I know what Mike's political stance is. But i think it would be nice if mike didnt include them in his commentary. The Star Wars one was pretty funny. But i wouldnt rank it high as the best Rifftrax. Mainly because of the annoying jokes about Lucas & Jar Jar.
Anyways as far as "we can only riff popular movies" thing. Its seems that rifftrax has been dealing with mainly mediocre since LOTR. Which is fine with me. But it would be nice if the did even worst movies. If you ask me something like Street Fighter the movie would write itself. Infact ive watched alot of those Cult of UHF movies (like Hercules against the Moon Men) and Me & my brother will sit there a riff away on them. But if you ask me the cheesier the better. Which is probably why i think Crossroads and Roadhouse are the best ones. But thats just me.
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