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Post by RexDart on Dec 1, 2007 7:27:39 GMT -5
as much i like Joel and everyone else involved, im not paying over $10 without a physical dvd and packaging. Its just not worth it. Like other people said, you can get a movie on iTunes for $9.99. i cant see them pricing it higher than that. If its $15 for a download, imagine how much they could charge for a dvd of it? $25-30?? thats insane. And if its priced too high, piracy will almost certainly go up.
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Post by BoB3K on Dec 1, 2007 15:14:45 GMT -5
I agree with both sides--
Would I pay $15 for downloaded digital-only movie? No. Would I pay $15 for a newly riffed movie my Joel, Josh, Trace, Frank and MJ even if it is in digital only format? Absolutely.
I would still be most happy with a real DVD and accompanying packaging.
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Post by Godo on Dec 1, 2007 15:33:42 GMT -5
For this project, money is no object.
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Post by illusion on Dec 1, 2007 20:02:10 GMT -5
$15 for a digital release is pretty ridiculous. Digital releases at all are pretty ridiculous. I don't know where you guys shop that you get single DVDs for $30 but you're getting ripped off.
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Post by mrtorso on Dec 1, 2007 23:56:24 GMT -5
as much i like Joel and everyone else involved, im not paying over $10 without a physical dvd and packaging. Its just not worth it. Like other people said, you can get a movie on iTunes for $9.99. i cant see them pricing it higher than that. If its $15 for a download, imagine how much they could charge for a dvd of it? $25-30?? thats insane. And if its priced too high, piracy will almost certainly go up. They haven't annouced any price for anything. The quote of $10-$15 was about downloading a DVD image to burn your own DVD. Not just a digital file. $10-$15 for something I can download in less than 2 hours and then print my own cover and labels is fine with me.
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Post by Cerrita on Dec 2, 2007 0:14:00 GMT -5
As long as they release copies already on disk, money (probably) is no object for me.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Dec 2, 2007 4:05:46 GMT -5
Would you pay $15 for a digital album, with no CD or cover art or packaging? Yup. Well, forgive me, but that's a poor use of money and a poor message to send to those in charge of pricing. That's why the studios and big retailers charge ridiculous prices - because not enough people stand up and refuse to give in to them. (I'm not talking about CT here, though.)
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Dec 2, 2007 4:12:02 GMT -5
$15 for a digital release is pretty ridiculous. Digital releases at all are pretty ridiculous. I don't know where you guys shop that you get single DVDs for $30 but you're getting ripped off. Did somebody really say that? (I'm tired and a little sick, so I don't feel like checking.) I try to never pay over $10-12 for DVDs, and I usually manage. Hell, I just bought two reasonably recent movies that I've wanted for a while for around $8 combined. Geez, people. Don't get suckered into wallet-rape. (Pardon the crude terminology.) Be smart, shop around. Still, no wonder some of you are okay with a $15 download, if you're dropping that much money on DVDs. (And, incidentally, have we learned nothing from - dare I say it - Rhino? Their single-disc episodes can be purchased easily for around $12-14. Even the Film Crew can be purchased for around that. You want to pay more for a digital copy? Wow.)
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Post by Miss Interoceter on Dec 2, 2007 9:28:11 GMT -5
The other problem I see with downloads is quality reduction. Some of the MSTs I traded for long ago were from DAP and every one of them had sound sync or artifacts or horrid pixellation problems. Obviously, this is a speed problem. But I'm guessing there are still tons of people out there who still have dial-up, only access a computer at work/school or have an old slow processing computer where downloads are sort of out of the question or impractical. I got chastised all over the place in another recent thread over suggesting a 50 pack of DVDs under $15 were remotely like a Rhino release (which wasn't my point even) because of the quality of Rhino. Now suddenly it's okay no matter the quality issues. "But I don't have that problem!" you're quick to say. Okay, but there are others who no doubt will. It seems unfair to doom some just because it's okay for you. There needs to be two formats. Direct downloads for those who want to pay through the nose and do it all yourself. And printed DVDs for those that want packaging and uniform quality.
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Post by ern2150 on Dec 3, 2007 2:07:29 GMT -5
Two things:
1) Joel said both formats would be available (but I realize that's GASP avoiding an argument, which some people just cannot fathom)
2) He also said the point of the download was to "circulate the tapes." In other words, he'd be providing you with a DRM-free DIY kit, which you would then be able to package and burn and give to relatives (or whiny emo bloggers) without fear of retribution.
So if Joel's offer for circulation stands, and the physical DVD doesn't materialize (which would be silly, but let's go ahead and pursue this hypothetical), I'm sure someone from here would be more than happy to provide you a LEGITIMATE copy. No need to threaten piracy.
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Post by mrtorso on Dec 4, 2007 19:24:55 GMT -5
[quote author=ern2150 board=ct thread=1196079504 2) He also said the point of the download was to "circulate the tapes." In other words, he'd be providing you with a DRM-free DIY kit, which you would then be able to package and burn and give to relatives (or whiny emo bloggers) without fear of retribution.
So if Joel's offer for circulation stands, and the physical DVD doesn't materialize (which would be silly, but let's go ahead and pursue this hypothetical), I'm sure someone from here would be more than happy to provide you a LEGITIMATE copy. No need to threaten piracy.[/quote]
Where exactly does Joel say this?? The only thing close is when he is talking about the free holiday short that they are supposedly going to give to people on the e-mail list.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Dec 4, 2007 23:14:09 GMT -5
Two things: 1) Joel said both formats would be available (but I realize that's GASP avoiding an argument, which some people just cannot fathom) 2) He also said the point of the download was to "circulate the tapes." In other words, he'd be providing you with a DRM-free DIY kit, which you would then be able to package and burn and give to relatives (or whiny emo bloggers) without fear of retribution. So if Joel's offer for circulation stands, and the physical DVD doesn't materialize (which would be silly, but let's go ahead and pursue this hypothetical), I'm sure someone from here would be more than happy to provide you a LEGITIMATE copy. No need to threaten piracy. [EDIT: Let me try this in a slightly more civil tone, this time.] If you're talking to me, I really don't appreciate your tone or some of what you said. Behave yourself. Just because I happen to disagree and be passionate about the issue, there's no reason to get nasty. Forums are for discussion. You may disagree, but that doesn't invalidate my opinion. And I'm willing to bet that I know a fair bit more about digital media and pricing than you do. Discuss, but there's no need to be dickweeds. And I'm not threatening anything. I'm simply stating that I will likely be testing the waters before jumping in, if the pricing is excessive. Largely, however, I'm not personally interested in this project, at the moment. I don't own any Film Crew DVDs and I've only seen one Rifftrax. Cost is a big issue with me at the moment, as I don't really have the money to spare on luxuries such as these. That's all. Also, a burned copy given to me by a fellow MSTie would not be a legitimate copy. I'm sure Joel doesn't want people to just order one download, then distribute it to dozens of people on disc and, frankly, I'm pretty sure he never said anything close to that about the first episode. If he did, then that would be a one huge financial loss for them. That is piracy, not the "borrowing" that I was suggesting. (I would also like to remind you that, technically, these non-Rhino episodes that we MSTies buy and trade so frequently are actually illegal. No stone throwing, please.)
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Post by BEERxTaco on Dec 5, 2007 12:12:19 GMT -5
I don't own any Film Crew DVDs and I've only seen one Rifftrax. Cost is a big issue with me at the moment, as I don't really have the money to spare on luxuries such as these. That's all. That's unfortunate. I hope things get better for you soon. You would really enjoy both of those products IMO.
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Post by ern2150 on Dec 5, 2007 14:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by RAD on Dec 5, 2007 14:53:36 GMT -5
Ern2150,
I'm not sure I'd interpret that as a blanket offer to burn as many copies as you like and hand out to friends and relatives. I don't view this as any different from buying a regular DVD. Could you buy a copy and give it to the person of your choice? Absolutely! Could you buy a copy, make multiple copies of that, and hand them out at will? Um, no.
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