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Post by Skyroniter on Dec 24, 2007 16:50:03 GMT -5
The more tags to help folks find them the better. There is plenty of room for both camps to exist. And thrive, hopefully.
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Post by Isaac S. on Dec 24, 2007 17:18:42 GMT -5
The more tags to help folks find them the better. There is plenty of room for both camps to exist. And thrive, hopefully. I only hope this attitude prevails. I'm seeing too many MSTies looking for controversy, though. There are simply no hard feelings between the two camps, and no amount of reading between the lines will change that. RiffTrax has a CT board (and if CT ever gets a board, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see that the opposite was also true), and Bill's blog post is just a bit of good-natured ribbing. The (former) Brains are fine. It's the fans I'm worried about. There's no need to choose sides. It's not a fight to the death. Riffing is not competition for riffing. Most of us are fans of both styles. Other entertainment is competition for riffing. We, as fans, ought to be so busy spreading the word about both camps that we don't have time to choose sides, even if we do have our favorites. We need to promote the art of riffing to those who are spending their money elsewhere (including fellow MSTies who just haven't gotten on board with the new projects yet) so that both sides can continue doing it.
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Post by Reptilian Samurai on Dec 24, 2007 17:26:38 GMT -5
I only hope this attitude prevails. I'm seeing too many MSTies looking for controversy, though. There are simply no hard feelings between the two camps, and no amount of reading between the lines will change that. RiffTrax has a CT board (and if CT ever gets a board, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see that the opposite was also true), and Bill's blog post is just a bit of good-natured ribbing. The (former) Brains are fine. It's the fans I'm worried about. There's no need to choose sides. It's not a fight to the death. Riffing is not competition for riffing. Most of us are fans of both styles. Other entertainment is competition for riffing. We, as fans, ought to be so busy spreading the word about both camps that we don't have time to choose sides, even if we do have our favorites. We need to promote the art of riffing to those who are spending their money elsewhere (including fellow MSTies who just haven't gotten on board with the new projects yet) so that both sides can continue doing it. That was beautifully said. Why choose sides? Why can't we just enjoy the product both sides of this "competition" put out? Plus, they can exist in a very complementary way to each other - go to CT for your old-school MST fix of bad old movies being riffed with riffers in silhouette. Go to Rifftrax for that latest smash-hit DVD on your shelf to be ripped to pieces in riffing commentary. Both are filling slightly different riffing needs. Plus a little competition will keep them all on their toes and at the tops of their games. No getting lazy cause you're the only one in town. ;-)
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Post by wilson on Dec 24, 2007 22:19:16 GMT -5
The more tags to help folks find them the better. There is plenty of room for both camps to exist. And thrive, hopefully. I only hope this attitude prevails. I'm seeing too many MSTies looking for controversy, though. There are simply no hard feelings between the two camps, and no amount of reading between the lines will change that. RiffTrax has a CT board (and if CT ever gets a board, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see that the opposite was also true), and Bill's blog post is just a bit of good-natured ribbing. The (former) Brains are fine. It's the fans I'm worried about. There's no need to choose sides. It's not a fight to the death. Riffing is not competition for riffing. Most of us are fans of both styles. Other entertainment is competition for riffing. We, as fans, ought to be so busy spreading the word about both camps that we don't have time to choose sides, even if we do have our favorites. We need to promote the art of riffing to those who are spending their money elsewhere (including fellow MSTies who just haven't gotten on board with the new projects yet) so that both sides can continue doing it. What he said . . . every bit of it !
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Post by Roz on Dec 24, 2007 22:36:59 GMT -5
I have to agree to with those saying it's a cheap move to make. I find it stupid when people just you random tags just to get my attention anyway, it just looks desperate, and Rifftrax doing it isn't any better, in my opinion. Rather exploitive.
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Post by Roz on Dec 24, 2007 23:29:35 GMT -5
I know this is going to sound, I don't know, however it sounds, but some of the people of on the CT board over at Rifftrax are just getting WAY to serious about this whole thing. It's cool to make your opinon known, whatever it may be, but geez! This is NOT the end of the world! So what if people think Rifftrax has questionable tactics, or think they are perfectly right, when we start going after each other, THAT'S when you got to step back, and think! It's just a show, we should really just relax! Again, just noting.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Dec 25, 2007 0:06:39 GMT -5
Think of it this way, Roz: It's getting your product in front of the people who might actually be interested in it. For a fan-riffer, like Josh or myself, we would get little or no traffic unless we invoked the name of MST3K, or Rifftrax or Cinematic Titanic, somewhere. It gives people something to grab onto. "Oh, your stuff is sort of like that show."
While there will of course be a large number of people who are aware of both series, I don't think it's unfair or uncommon to want to get some exposure with those who search YouTube for Cinematic Titanic videos.
It's not like they're really in direct competition. I doubt that many MSTies are going to go, "Well, I can only pick one project to support. YouTube, decide for me!" Let's be realistic, here.
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Post by MonsterX on Dec 25, 2007 0:10:16 GMT -5
The Joel vs Mike flame wars are long gone. Lets not rekindle those flames again please. =P I think we're all beyond that.
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Post by Roz on Dec 25, 2007 0:53:44 GMT -5
Think of it this way, Roz: It's getting your product in front of the people who might actually be interested in it. For a fan-riffer, like Josh or myself, we would get little or no traffic unless we invoked the name of MST3K, or Rifftrax or Cinematic Titanic, somewhere. It gives people something to grab onto. "Oh, your stuff is sort of like that show." While there will of course be a large number of people who are aware of both series, I don't think it's unfair or uncommon to want to get some exposure with those who search YouTube for Cinematic Titanic videos. It's not like they're really in direct competition. I doubt that many MSTies are going to go, "Well, I can only pick one project to support. YouTube, decide for me!" Let's be realistic, here. I still stand by my feelings. Just my view of the practice of putting what I think of as "unrelated" tags in general. If CT were to upload something on YouTube with a Rifftrax tag, I would think is just as weird.
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Post by BathTub on Dec 25, 2007 5:58:44 GMT -5
If CT were to upload something on YouTube with a Rifftrax tag, I would think is just as weird. Well quite frankly, they should, it's just good business sense. The official upload of the promo is the third result of a youtube search for Cinematic Titanic, behind 2 fan uploads, and has a quarter of the views of the first ranked result. They have at least made theirs "a response" to the top ranked result so that it feeds the official one a bit. Even the second listed result has twice the views even though it was uploaded a day later. The official video is tagged "Cinematic Titanic MST3K Oozing Skull" Really at the very least it should be tagged something more like "Cinematic Titanic MST3K Mystery Science Theater Oozing Skull Brain of Blood RiffTrax Joel Hodgson Mary Jo Trace TV's Frank Josh". I can think of a lot more (bad movie, tom servo, crow, etc) but I think YouTube limits you to about 20 tags. It's a promotional tool, maximizing visibility is the whole point
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Post by BEERxTaco on Dec 25, 2007 11:15:07 GMT -5
It's a promotional tool, maximizing visibility is the whole point Exactly, nothing more. Relax folks.
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Post by ern2150 on Dec 25, 2007 11:59:57 GMT -5
Also... it's kind of a joke?
Like the inclusion in Joel's poll of "Down in front with Dana Carvey."
No? Ah whatever.
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Post by Hargo on Dec 25, 2007 12:08:20 GMT -5
I think it's smart on Rifftrax's part, since they're going to need all the help they can get once CT gets rolling. I predict that within a year, Mike will show up at Joel's doorstop dressed as a hobo (much like on the Rifftrax website) looking for a job.
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Post by jetjaguar15 on Dec 25, 2007 12:29:35 GMT -5
I think it's smart on Rifftrax's part, since they're going to need all the help they can get once CT gets rolling. I predict that within a year, Mike will show up at Joel's doorstop dressed as a hobo (much like on the Rifftrax website) looking for a job. Ummm..... Hargo, what's yer beef?
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Post by gammer on Dec 25, 2007 12:44:05 GMT -5
I think it's smart on Rifftrax's part, since they're going to need all the help they can get once CT gets rolling. I predict that within a year, Mike will show up at Joel's doorstop dressed as a hobo (much like on the Rifftrax website) looking for a job. A really doubt it.
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