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Post by Donna SadCat Lady on Jan 18, 2008 10:51:42 GMT -5
It has always been my opinion that once the show was off the ground and running, say middle of season 1, that all writers got about equal input and weight. That's my impression also. From what I've gathered from their interviews and writings, the writers' team was really a team. Everyone would throw out lines during the movie-watching bits, trying to make each other laugh. They'd top each other's lines and fine-tune each joke. Each host segment was assigned to a specific writer, but I'm sure the others would throw in. It seems to me that's a part of why they all worked together so well for so long--everyone's contribution was valued equally. And they all blended together to make a delicious gravy!
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Post by wilson on Jan 18, 2008 10:56:55 GMT -5
Mmm , delicious gravy
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Post by fanliorel on Jan 18, 2008 11:16:35 GMT -5
Msties as a rule are great! No one is succumbing to the flaming between CT and Riff/FC that the OP clearly wanted. I say "clearly" because the post was conspicuously short for something claiming to tell us why one CT disc was better than 4 FCs and dozens of RTs - in fact, I'd say it was just long enough to potentially get some folks upset, but short enough that you could do exactly what you did; waltz back in and say, 'hey, that was all a misunderstanding.' Well, it wasn't a misunderstanding - you said it and you believe it, which is fine, but doesn't justify wanting to get other folks riled up. And clearly you didn't just "forget" to add IMO to your thread. You made it as a statement of fact, not a statement of opinion: It became quite obvious 5 minutes into it. It is the same thing that made us all love MST. Not only is that not an opinion ("obvious"ly), it's lobbying anyone who calls him/herself a fan of MST to agree with you. Actually, even your later disclaimer was kind of rude. That laugh when you posted was certainly amused, and not bemused, that your thread had started some controversy. And your address to those of us who were offended was condescending. Not, "I'm sorry" or anything like that, just "haha, hey guys"...listen up. hahahaha- hey guys- I love Film Crew and RT....I just think CT has the old time MST flavor I love so much. And it satisfies! This whole thing isn't new for ya though I guess; not even new for just the last few days, as evidenced by this thread where you had another snide comment to make even though someone was having a legitimite issue, and ended up offending someone. Well, to each his/her own. Apparently you enjoy pushing buttons, and there's not much I can do about that. I can avoid your comments I suppose, but it'd certainly be much nicer if you didn't feel the need to try to stir things up.
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jan 18, 2008 11:30:40 GMT -5
One reason we're all going ga-ga about CT is that while Mike has been doing Legend, Rifftracks and Film Crew releases since shortly after Season 10, we haven't heard much of our other favorite Brains for a longer stretch of time. We been without Trace since Season 7, Frank since Season 6, and Joel since the middle of Season 5! Of course we all know that Mike Nelstone contributed greatly to 10 great seasons of the best show ever. When Kevin said "We realized Mike was probably the 5th or 6th funniest person on the face of the planet..." I certainly agreed. Of course he's now at 6th or 7th place, having been surpassed by Dane Cook...
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Post by BoB3K on Jan 18, 2008 12:41:01 GMT -5
Of course he's now at 6th or 7th place, having been surpassed by Dane Cook... You know, would a full blown MST3K reunion really even be worth it if they didn't get Dane Cook on board? I know, he wasn't a part of MST3K, but he SHOULD HAVE BEEN! In fact, maybe we can call Lucas up and get him to remaster ALL comedy from the past century to digitally add Dane Cook into each and every one. We can dream...we can dream...
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jan 18, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -5
Thats good. I was afraid my sarcasm wouldn't register.
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Post by Poe33 on Jan 18, 2008 16:29:25 GMT -5
Msties as a rule are great! No one is succumbing to the flaming between CT and Riff/FC that the OP clearly wanted. I say "clearly" because the post was conspicuously short for something claiming to tell us why one CT disc was better than 4 FCs and dozens of RTs - in fact, I'd say it was just long enough to potentially get some folks upset, but short enough that you could do exactly what you did; waltz back in and say, 'hey, that was all a misunderstanding.' Well, it wasn't a misunderstanding - you said it and you believe it, which is fine, but doesn't justify wanting to get other folks riled up. And clearly you didn't just "forget" to add IMO to your thread. You made it as a statement of fact, not a statement of opinion: It became quite obvious 5 minutes into it. It is the same thing that made us all love MST. Not only is that not an opinion ("obvious"ly), it's lobbying anyone who calls him/herself a fan of MST to agree with you. Actually, even your later disclaimer was kind of rude. That laugh when you posted was certainly amused, and not bemused, that your thread had started some controversy. And your address to those of us who were offended was condescending. Not, "I'm sorry" or anything like that, just "haha, hey guys"...listen up. hahahaha- hey guys- I love Film Crew and RT....I just think CT has the old time MST flavor I love so much. And it satisfies! This whole thing isn't new for ya though I guess; not even new for just the last few days, as evidenced by this thread where you had another snide comment to make even though someone was having a legitimite issue, and ended up offending someone. Well, to each his/her own. Apparently you enjoy pushing buttons, and there's not much I can do about that. I can avoid your comments I suppose, but it'd certainly be much nicer if you didn't feel the need to try to stir things up. HEY- this is just a board we should really just relax! I love everything put out by all MST folks. My point was is that CT has teh silhouettes and that makes it more like the original. This is suppose to be fun dudes! We are not a bunch of moronic politicians laying waste to nations!! SMILE-- Tom and Crow love you!
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Jan 18, 2008 16:54:34 GMT -5
A lot of it was based around funny ideas and props, wasn't it? At least, what I saw of it was. I just think that when it comes down to Joel sitting down and coming up with humorous commentary, he tends to be a little soft. And props can't be funny? We will have to part company on this debate my friend. I don't find anything soft about Joel's comedic genius, as a prop comic or as a commentator. I'm laughing till I hurt at certain riffs that are, I feel, obviously of his construct (They reflect his comedic sensibilties) whether with CT or Star Wait or MST3K. Joel has always made me laugh and laugh big! Misreading me again. I think his stand-up is funny. But good stand-up does not necessarily equal good movie riffing. They're two completely different forms of comedy. I'm saying that his stand-up and coming up with interesting ideas are Joel's strengths, while he's merely average-to-above-average at the movie-riffing style of comedy. That's just my take, based on what little I've seen.
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Post by Reptilian Samurai on Jan 18, 2008 17:29:55 GMT -5
And props can't be funny? We will have to part company on this debate my friend. I don't find anything soft about Joel's comedic genius, as a prop comic or as a commentator. I'm laughing till I hurt at certain riffs that are, I feel, obviously of his construct (They reflect his comedic sensibilties) whether with CT or Star Wait or MST3K. Joel has always made me laugh and laugh big! Misreading me again. I think his stand-up is funny. But good stand-up does not necessarily equal good movie riffing. They're two completely different forms of comedy. I'm saying that his stand-up and coming up with interesting ideas are Joel's strengths, while he's merely average-to-above-average at the movie-riffing style of comedy. That's just my take, based on what little I've seen. I don't really know which jokes Joel himself writes (and I wonder if CT they now speak all their own jokes, or still divvy them up a-la MST? Because Mary Jo takes the female perspective jokes, so I think they may still divide the jokes based on "characters" rather than "writers.) But what I do like is Joel's delivery. The funny voices he affects, and the tone he riffs at, or just his simple dead-pan deliveries... always enhances so much. Mike had a great style all his own as well, and I really love them both. But I think Joel is terrific in theater.
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Post by dangfish on Jan 18, 2008 17:41:04 GMT -5
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Misreading me again. I think his stand-up is funny. But good stand-up does not necessarily equal good movie riffing. They're two completely different forms of comedy. I'm saying that his stand-up and coming up with interesting ideas are Joel's strengths, while he's merely average-to-above-average at the movie-riffing style of comedy. That's just my take, based on what little I've seen. [/quote]
I'm in agreement with you Hugh. I've enjoyed Joel's riffing but in MST Trace and Kevin's riffs usually made me laugh more. And in Oozing Skull I found myself enjoying the other four riffers a bit more.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Jan 18, 2008 23:24:48 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm really saying that, though. As has been said, Joel's riffs weren't always written by him. I've heard him try to improvise riffs, and he's not been terribly sharp. It's hard to tell, though. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just my impression.
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Post by hugo on Jan 19, 2008 1:22:59 GMT -5
Having just watched The Oozing Skull, I'll opine that riff-wise, FC and RT have nothing to worry about at this point.
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Post by BEERxTaco on Jan 19, 2008 19:04:01 GMT -5
I agree, but not fror the same reason as you implied.
No one needs to worry about anything.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Jan 19, 2008 22:30:45 GMT -5
And props can't be funny? We will have to part company on this debate my friend. I don't find anything soft about Joel's comedic genius, as a prop comic or as a commentator. I'm laughing till I hurt at certain riffs that are, I feel, obviously of his construct (They reflect his comedic sensibilties) whether with CT or Star Wait or MST3K. Joel has always made me laugh and laugh big! Misreading me again. I think his stand-up is funny. But good stand-up does not necessarily equal good movie riffing. They're two completely different forms of comedy. I'm saying that his stand-up and coming up with interesting ideas are Joel's strengths, while he's merely average-to-above-average at the movie-riffing style of comedy. That's just my take, based on what little I've seen. I don't see how I'm misreading you Hugh, you say he avg or above avg as a riffer. I say he's my favorite at movie style riffing (. I think he's more than just an idea man as you state and he was solid during KTMA wich featured some improv). What am I misreading here?
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Post by braindeadzombie on Jan 19, 2008 23:51:23 GMT -5
Having just watched The Oozing Skull, I'll opine that riff-wise, FC and RT have nothing to worry about at this point. Having just watched a RT considered to be good/excellent and all the FC offerings, I'll counter by saying CT has nothing to worry about entertainment wise. Just put the disc in the player, set it and forget it! BTW, I've' just gotten through my 5th viewing of the OOzing Brain and I'm still picking up on new jokes. "State of New Orleans Jazz, right now." Excellent point, Frank, thank you.
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