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Post by BoB3K on Jan 17, 2008 16:35:35 GMT -5
He's drunk on the Cinelicious Titaniousity!! |
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jan 17, 2008 19:19:13 GMT -5
There has always been speculation by fans towards entities they are fanatic about.
Usually the real creators know enough to stick to their own ideas, and I'm sure that will happen with CT.
But there may be another reason they choose not to do any actual "host segments" of the type we are used to.
Don't hate me for thinking this:
Simple human vanity.
The video technology out there has changed since Season 10. High Definition is cruel to faces older than, say, 29 years of age. Any imperfections, even ones you wouldn't notice in person, apparently jump out at you with this new technology. Maybe they're not using this evil new technology, I don't know.
And they are all over 29, except for Mary Jo, of course...
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Post by wilson on Jan 17, 2008 19:24:26 GMT -5
There has always been speculation by fans towards entities they are fanatic about. Usually the real creators know enough to stick to their own ideas, and I'm sure that will happen with CT. But there may be another reason they choose not to do any actual "host segments" of the type we are used to. Don't hate me for thinking this: Simple human vanity. The video technology out there has changed since Season 10. High Definition is cruel to faces older than, say, 29 years of age. Any imperfections, even ones you wouldn't notice in person, apparently jump out at you with this new technology. Maybe they're not using this evil new technology, I don't know. And they are all over 29, except for Mary Jo, of course... One of the first things I considered. "Hmm , reluctant to show your drooping mugs, huh ?" But I dunno', would they come back into this field thinking they could have their cake yet not frost it?" ( or something ) If that's the case , we should be watching the 5 bots they designed and are operating !! |
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Jan 17, 2008 21:17:34 GMT -5
And they are all over 29, except for Mary Jo, of course... Yeah, it's great that they let her join them, what with her being 19. I agree with BoB3K. The internet is made for -- amongst other things -- discussion. Joel can do whatever he damn well pleases with the series, but we can also speculate and comment on it any way we damn well please, too. If someone can't handle that, then they should leave this thread. Effectively, join in, or get out -- don't stand on the sidelines throwing rocks. There is nothing, I repeat nothing, wrong with friendly criticism and discussion. That said, I'm sure Joel has something in mind for the show. They made the TimeTube, and I do seem to recall there being some sort of story behind it. Am I wrong? I'm sure I read something about them (the "characters" they play) doing 500 movies for this project, or something. I can't remember, but I saw it shortly after it was announced, on the original site. |
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Post by bava666 on Jan 18, 2008 2:40:35 GMT -5
I think this is what you were talking about, Hugh. I saved this pic from when Joel sent out the survey to the CT email club:  I think this all of the premise we're going to get for right now. I'm not trying to flame anyone or anything, just trying to be a good poster to a pretty good forum (I was one of those pesky "guests" and after lurking for a while I decided that this place seemed like a nice place to join)  Something tells me that Joel is going to do a proper intro to the show with the next episode or two with all of the riffers introduced, probably doing it in silhouettes with a star field behind them like the group picture on the CT site, since that seems to be a recurring motif. Being that the movies they are riffing on are being placed into the Time Tube for future generations to find, it would seem odd for the CT crew not to say who they are and why they are doing this. Then again, this IS just the pilot episode. Pardon my blue skying. I'll go away now. |
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Post by Chuck on Jan 18, 2008 6:18:52 GMT -5
Actually, I was really glad they just came in and started riffing.
The "premise" of MST3K was due to the constraints of commercial television. Now that we're in cyberspace, those constraints have been lifted.
The host segments were never my favorite. Saying you watched MST3K for the host segments is like saying you buy Playboy or Playgirl for the articles.
I'm glad Cinematic Titanic just got down to the riffing, which is what the whole thing is about.
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Post by DON3k on Jan 18, 2008 8:37:45 GMT -5
The Time Tube is actually based on a real Time Capsule, buried at the 1939 Expo by Westinghouse. It's built to last 5000 years and contains lots of random crap from the time, as well as the all-new high-tech thingamabob called Microfiche! www.archive.org/download/storyofwestingho00pendrich/storyofwestingho00pendrich.pdfHere's a nice clip from The Middleton Family at the New York World's Fair, which showcases the Capsule. www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Cke2wm6T8Watch the entire movie, here, which in itself, is a true Time Capsule of the pre-war years. Funny thing, it's basically a way to boost America's pride, make the future look rosy, and bash the Commies, and nothing at all about the Nazis. I guess America hadn't turned-on to who their enemy would be in about three years. www.archive.org/details/middleton_family_worlds_fair_1939 |
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Post by BoB3K on Jan 18, 2008 9:01:29 GMT -5
The host segments were never my favorite. Saying you watched MST3K for the host segments is like saying you buy Playboy or Playgirl for the articles. I'm glad Cinematic Titanic just got down to the riffing, which is what the whole thing is about. I know a lot of people say this, but I've never agreed with it. Yeah, there were a lot of throwaway host segments, but back in the Joel golden years, I would estimate that at least half if not more than half of the host segments were skits and "discussions" about what was going on in the movie. It really is just an extension to the riffing process--we riffed it "live," and now we're going to go on an extended tangent about it. Plus, every out-of-theater scene adds to the background of the characters that are riffing, which I like; but I agree, that IS probably up to individual viewer preference. |
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Post by BEERxTaco on Jan 18, 2008 9:06:40 GMT -5
I agree... I enjoyed the host segemnts when they related to the movie in some obscure way... but when they began to try to stand alone as a subplot it just didn't do much for me...
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Post by ciredark on Jan 18, 2008 22:50:15 GMT -5
I agree... I enjoyed the host segemnts when they related to the movie in some obscure way... but when they began to try to stand alone as a subplot it just didn't do much for me... And let's not get into the Sci-Fi Channel Mandated ongoing "Epic Tale" of Mike and Perls' "Chase through time and space" Much Prefer the Joel & The Bots "Morale Tales and Arts&Crafts" based on the Movie in question. Joel tried to be Mr. Rodgers Mike tried to be Capt. Kirk (but somehow ended up Janeway) |
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jan 21, 2008 13:46:29 GMT -5
That TimeTube photo IS a fairly dramatic image, and I think it works well as an icon for Future Riffing on Old Stink-burgers.
Makes me think of the movie, The Core. It had a vehicle that was suspended, then dropped from a platform, that could travel through magma. I know, I know...
But the rest of the movie wasn't bad, if you could get past the magma part.
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Post by quinnmartin on Jan 21, 2008 18:56:02 GMT -5
The host segments were never my favorite. Saying you watched MST3K for the host segments is like saying you buy Playboy or Playgirl for the articles. I'm glad Cinematic Titanic just got down to the riffing, which is what the whole thing is about. I doubt anyone actually watches the show just for the host segments, but to me they were often the funniest thing about the show. The riffing on the first CT was quite good, better than I had expected, but the fact that is was JUST riffing meant that it was missing some of that magic that made MST at it's best so great. I would probably rank it on par with a pretty good Sci-Fi era episode - which were also, in general, all about the riffing for me. Not nearly at the level of say "Time Chasers" or "Space Mutiny" or "Riding with Death", but much better than say "Girl in Gold Boots" or "The Deadly Bees" or "The Screaming Skull" or "Hamlet". |
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Post by hugo on Jan 22, 2008 0:02:12 GMT -5
New here but I have a thought on this subject: This "constructive criticism" seems not only premature but presumptuous. Given that the CT crew has basically gone out of their way to solicit fan-feedback (everything from re-tooling the show after their live performance to outright asking us for suggestions on their forums) I don't think the constructive criticism is out of place at all. Frankly, I don't know what to make of it, since (at times) it appears that they've shifted their philosophy from "the right people will get it" to something more like "we'll get it right for the people." I suspect that this has to do with the fact that Cinematic Titanic is being presented in much more of an "instant feedback" type of medium, as opposed to a TV series which aims to grow its audience over time. |
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Post by hugo on Jan 22, 2008 0:06:10 GMT -5
Mike tried to be Capt. Kirk (but somehow ended up Janeway) Yeah, but what a rack! |
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jan 22, 2008 14:30:55 GMT -5
New here but I have a thought on this subject: This "constructive criticism" seems not only premature but presumptuous. Given that the CT crew has basically gone out of their way to solicit fan-feedback (everything from re-tooling the show after their live performance to outright asking us for suggestions on their forums) I don't think the constructive criticism is out of place at all. Frankly, I don't know what to make of it, since (at times) it appears that they've shifted their philosophy from "the right people will get it" to something more like "we'll get it right for the people." I suspect that this has to do with the fact that Cinematic Titanic is being presented in much more of an "instant feedback" type of medium, as opposed to a TV series which aims to grow its audience over time. That's a good point, Hugo. I was watching new episodes of MST starting around season 6, but didn't have web access. TV is such a one-way medium, it never occured to me that watchers could have an impact on the end product. |
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