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Post by braindeadzombie on Dec 14, 2008 9:15:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure why I'm responding to nickevans but I'm pretty certain that my own posts were singled out without being named. So here's my clarified position:
1) DVDs are still being sold "copyright Best Brains". I do believe I said that anyone who had a financial interest in the MST3k brand should take note of this intellectual property theft but I myself don't really care.
2) If he really wants to keep the spirit of MST3k alive then maybe he should just distribute fan copies of the original show rather than his own version of it. "Tribute" versions of TV shows and movies can't be sold because of copyright laws but I guess that you could do live performances of it with permission from the copyright holder. Parodies are also protected by the First Amendment but is ICWXP a parody of MST3k?
3) You name drop Mike Nelson. Yeah, that explains a lot to me as I am well aware of what's going on at Rifftrax. "Mike Nelson says it's ok" and that means ICWXP is being sold at Rifftrax.com now. If I was shocked, I would say "I did not see that one coming."
I am not shocked. What shocks me is the Cinematic Titanic web site. Not only do they not have ads beyond their own, they're not shilling for other riffers.
I suppose I could use a word like "integrity" to explain why I find the ICWXP/Rifftrax relationship questionable but then I'd have to define it.
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Post by BoB3K on Dec 15, 2008 9:45:19 GMT -5
Hey BDZ, there is no point to your 1). Everyone always has a copyright on their stuff. I think ICWXP has a copyright Agony Wolf productions on there DVDs. Your point 2) is just plain wrong. People make parodies and homages and tributes all the time. They are not copyright infringment. You don't have to look any further than The Simpson's Tree House of Horrors or about any Family Guy to see examples. It also amazes me how closed-minded some of you people are being. ICWXP has stolen nothing from MST3K--they're continuing a theme--and it's not even an identical theme--it's a parallel theme that has different characters and different setting. It's actually very well thought out--dare I say more thought out than the original MST3K. But it's all beside the point. Anyone who even remotely thinks that ICWXP is "stealing" from MST3K is first missing their whole point and second legally dead wrong.
It's also pretty ironic that you guys are "defending" MST3K over this. When you get down to it, MST3K spent a decade making money off of adding some riffs to other people's work! I know that Mike is on record as being okay with ICWXP. I have no doubt that if shown a tape of ICWXP, the Titans would not only be okay with it, but probably pretty impressed by it.
Oh, and MonsterX, you're an ass. That NickEvans guy came on here and wrote two well written, sincere posts, and you came in and simply snarked and trolled on him. Is there no moderators that watch this subboard? I know one thing. If I were coming in cold and I looked at the last couple of posts as examples of ICWXP fans and MST3K fans, I know which one I'd go with.
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Post by MonsterX on Dec 15, 2008 10:48:15 GMT -5
Hey BDZ, there is no point to your 1). Everyone always has a copyright on their stuff. I think ICWXP has a copyright Agony Wolf productions on there DVDs. Your point 2) is just plain wrong. People make parodies and homages and tributes all the time. They are not copyright infringment. You don't have to look any further than The Simpson's Tree House of Horrors or about any Family Guy to see examples. It also amazes me how closed-minded some of you people are being. ICWXP has stolen nothing from MST3K--they're continuing a theme--and it's not even an identical theme--it's a parallel theme that has different characters and different setting. It's actually very well thought out--dare I say more thought out than the original MST3K. But it's all beside the point. Anyone who even remotely thinks that ICWXP is "stealing" from MST3K is first missing their whole point and second legally dead wrong. It's also pretty ironic that you guys are "defending" MST3K over this. When you get down to it, MST3K spent a decade making money off of adding some riffs to other people's work! I know that Mike is on record as being okay with ICWXP. I have no doubt that if shown a tape of ICWXP, the Titans would not only be okay with it, but probably pretty impressed by it. Oh, and MonsterX, you're an ass. That NickEvans guy came on here and wrote two well written, sincere posts, and you came in and simply snarked and trolled on him. Is there no moderators that watch this subboard? I know one thing. If I were coming in cold and I looked at the last couple of posts as examples of ICWXP fans and MST3K fans, I know which one I'd go with. BoB3K – I wish this crapy thread that’s NOT about CT (it went off topic long ago) despite the fact that it’s in the CT forum was closed seeing how it’s completely off topic. However, the thread went away and all was fine until that one guy decided to make an account on this board JUST to bump this thread. How appropriate would it be for me to register an account on the ICWXP forums just to bump a LONG DEAD POST to defend CT? The answer is that it would not. So while yes perhaps I’m an “ass” as you put it, at least I know how to use the internet. IMO this thread should be locked and no further discussion concerning ICWXP should be conducted in their board. They have their own forum over there and we have ours here. Hell, I don’t think there should be any ICWXP discussion on here in the first place as they are nothing more than a bunch of creatively bankrupt losers ripping off other peoples ideas and selling them back to you. But that’s not my call and I’m just expressing my opinion on the matter as you’re so fond of doing. Also, your attempt at defending ICWXP is makes little to no sense to me when broken down. So what if the bad movies where there to be ripped on? That’s not relevant. MST came up with the idea of a guy trapped in space with his two robot pals and forced to watch bad movies by an evil scientist. They didn’t make remakes of those films and sell them on the internet. They created an all new program unlike those other guys. Mike is ok with it but that in no way changes the fact that they are a rip-off outfit and the idea that the CT guys would be ok with it is just speculation. So the TLDR version – ICWXP doesn’t belong on this site until they come up with an original concept that doesn’t rip off the show that this message board was created for in the first place. (I honestly have nothing against them except for the fact they are using the same back story and format. If they came up with an original concept I’d happily give them another shot.) BoB3K thinks I’m an ass for teasing a shill for ICWXP that made an account here just to bump this thread and shill for them and if he was a moderator he’d do something vague about it. I don’t care what he thinks so that’s ok. I think it’s funny however that he accuses me of trolling and then attempts to insult me.
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Dec 15, 2008 11:35:00 GMT -5
Ok, now everyone's said their piece. Let's hang it up now. If people want to continue this discussion, they can do so in private, but it's been degrading toward personal assaults for awhile now.
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