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Post by Mod City on Feb 8, 2009 22:35:30 GMT -5
I screwed up on the recording (I don't have a DVR), so I had to find a friend who let me use their broadband connection to get it from iTunes. They only rerun the darn things once, and that's apparently a couple hours after it airs the first time. That was a long two days to wait.
That was fantastic. I didn't think they could get more tense than last week, but they managed to do it, right up to the end of this episode.
* Gaeta and Zarek got theirs. Wow.
* I knew there had to be many people on board who were still loyal to Adama and Roslin. The scene with Adama, Tigh and the rest of those people they pick up along the way on their march to CIC had me on the edge of my seat, expecting both the best and the worst.
* With the quorum gone, who will govern for the fleet? Did Adama and Roslin just inherit a dictatorship they didn't want from Zarek's plan? Interested to see how that will play out.
One nice thing about the iTunes experiences is there are no previews for next week, so I remain truly spoiler free. Still, I'll take the live broadcast option. I can't be delayed another two days for the next episode.
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Post by Mod City on Feb 15, 2009 23:18:07 GMT -5
Now that was a serious amount of information to digest. We pretty much got the whole Final Five backstory and a ton of new information on the original Cylon war. And a ton of other stuff. Much calmer in tone than the last two episode.
There are a lot of interesting points in this episode.
* Ellen did download, and Cavil kept her cooped up for months since her death on New Caprica. I thought Vernon was quite good with her Cylon personality - still the old Ellen but obviously has herself together. Or more so, anyway.
* Sam started revealing the rest of the Final Five story. Interesting stuff, capped off with the revelation that there is, or was, another humanoid model. Whether we'll ever know who it is unclear, but it returned that crazy tension of "there might be another one." Sounds like this might be a way to resolve the numbering system of the models after the writers designated the Boomers "No. 8" before they had developed the concept of the Final Five. Hopefully not. I'm interested in Daniel.
* Sam said something about the five being guided by visions of people only they could see. Sounds like Baltar, but also Starbuck, Caprica Six and Adama (to some extent). Could that fall into the "Daniel" theory or does it mean something else? I gotta know what happens to Baltar.
* There is still a strong theme of a god having a hand in all this - Ellen theorizes it was this god that put the vision of the Final Five in the temple on the algae planet.
* The admiral is running out of people in whom to confide. The choice Tyrol lays out for him for fixing the ship is difficult, and he seems to do make it all alone. Will his choice to allow the implementation of the cylon technology hurt them all in the end. As Roslin said earlier in the episode, he may be making a choice between what is right and what is smart.
* Lee and his taking over the top executive spot was the slow point of the episode, but it will be interesting to see how he handles the new alignment of the quorum. And how much longer does Roslin have?
That's enough. I'm going to have to watch this thing again so I can get a better grip. Huge information payoff, and I'm going to have digest this for a while.
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Post by quinnmartin on Feb 15, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -5
Still digesting it all, but I'm thinking the "Daniel" model was Starbuck's father. She obviously can resurect, and that might explain it.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Feb 21, 2009 10:38:46 GMT -5
You know, I liked BSG a lot more when it wasn't Desperate Housewives.
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Post by Mod City on Feb 21, 2009 14:05:57 GMT -5
You know, I liked BSG a lot more when it wasn't Desperate Housewives. I can't argue that they haven't gone a bit overboard with the whole baby/jealousy thing, and I didn't like this latest episode as well as the rest of this season, but it's still intriguing me. * The Sons of Aries are back. I'm kind of glad, because they seemed like a dead end in the first half of this season. A confrontation is coming between them and Baltar's crew, and it's not going to be pretty. * I'm surprised Tyrol wanted to leave the fleet after his efforts to fix Galactica and his loyalty to Adama. Good old Tigh wants to stay put, and it looks like Anders may be coming out of his coma. * We're going to get a big Starbuck episode somewhere coming up, and I can't wait to see where they go with her. She's been kind of off the radar so far in this closing arc. * Is D'Anna really gone? I'd be a bit disappointed if the last we ever saw or heard from her was that she decided to sit there and die on Earth. Though this was a bit of a slower episode, it's still making my Friday nights worth waiting for.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Feb 21, 2009 17:19:39 GMT -5
* I'm surprised Tyrol wanted to leave the fleet after his efforts to fix Galactica and his loyalty to Adama. Good old Tigh wants to stay put, and it looks like Anders may be coming out of his coma. That was wrong on so many levels. It was clearly a cop-out in the writing just so they could make the vote a tie. Everything in the show up until now has established that Tyrol is loyal to Adama and the Galactica. From his relationship with Boomer in season 1, to his reaction when he found out he was a cylon, to his actions during the recent mutiny. Now, right after he got his post back as Chief and he's actively helping Adama save the ship, he suddenly votes to leave? With no apparent struggle? WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. And Ellen has no moral misgivings about what she did on Caprica with Cavil, who was her "son" modeled after her "father", but she reverts to her booze-hound, vindictive ways once she finds out Saul moved on when he thought she was dead? What happened to the noble and understanding Ellen from last week? Lazy writing. Terrible episode. Last week was 60 minutes of exposition. (Hey Ron Moore: Show, don't tell. It's the first rule of writing!) This week was cheap, character-compromising melodrama. Way to stumble across the finish line, guys!
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Post by Torgo on Feb 23, 2009 1:23:59 GMT -5
Just got around to watching last weeks episode on my DVR. Man, that dialogue during the baby death scene was terrible. "The heartbeat is love." ::instant flatline::
I know I should have been sad, but that made me laugh out loud.
And of course, Baltar's speech about having faith means needing bigger guns. That's terrorism waiting to happen.
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Post by Mod City on Mar 1, 2009 14:33:23 GMT -5
I'm still rolling along with this season. It was a bit, but not enough, of a Starbuck episode. The other half looks at Boomer and her manipulations of Tyrol. Not bad, but I'm not sure how I feel about where this is all headed.
* Though I've read a lot of griping elsewhere about the Starbuck segment being predictable, I liked it a great deal. And I guess I'm just dumb enough to not have seen the end of that bit coming (although in BSG, that kind of thing is ALWAYS a possibility, so can anyone ever really be truly surprised?)
* I loved how the music on the piano came together.
* Boomer is back to being bad Boomer. Should have known it was all a plot to get Hera. The projection thing with Tyrol was kind of odd, but I liked how he returned to it only to find his imaginary life (and daughter) gone. Sad.
* Galactica and Roslin are in trouble. Which will succumb to the inevitable first?
The cast have talked about how dark this final chapter is, but really it doesn't seem any darker than the rest of the series. And while I've loved these closing episodes, I'm not sure how they're going to resolve everything before the final credits roll.
Oh, but it does make me even more interested in The Plan, the telemovie about the "Final Five."
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Post by Mod City on Mar 9, 2009 13:54:11 GMT -5
Didn't want to double-post, but with only two episodes left I'm running out of chances to comment. Might as well go down with the ship, so to speak. * I liked the very last scene from the latest episode. Tigh and Adama on the couch, resolved that Galactica is at its end. It seems like an appropriate way to send the series off – with the demise of its namesake spaceship. I was worried there was going to be another confrontation over Adama's decision, but he and Tigh both know it's coming. * Does Boomer have a heart after all? I kind of hope not. I liked that she duped us all, and her switching back again would be kind of a cop out, in my opinion. * I expected to be further along in the revelation process at this point, but at least the last two episodes are 90 minutes (I believe). They're going to have to squeeze a lot in. * Sam grabbing Starbuck was one of those good moments. I really can't wait to find out what her whole deal is. Here's hoping for more information soon
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Post by Torgo on Mar 9, 2009 23:37:39 GMT -5
I can't believe I just watched a scene where Starbuck had a conversation with Baltar while using the can.
That's going to be perminantly etched into my memory.
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Post by Mod City on Mar 15, 2009 21:32:18 GMT -5
Yeah, that's something I could have done without. But I've liked how it's gone, even if it isn't quite what I expected.
Only two hours left in the series and one more reflective special (again), but I'm ready. I'm not going to be able to watch it until at least Sunday night because I'm going to be gone next Friday. Figures. Still, can't wait.
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Post by quinnmartin on Mar 17, 2009 15:25:19 GMT -5
To pass the time waiting for the finale, what're everyones favorite episodes? I'll start...
1. Exodus (season 3) - The perfect BSG episode. Combines everything that makes the show great - drama, the mythos, the characters, suspense, plot twists, heartbreak - and features the coolest action sequence to ever hit TV. Tigh comes into his own as the best character on the show.
2. 33 (season 1) - After a so-so miniseries, this episode made it clear the series was going to be top notch. Though not significant to the plot or the individual character arcs, it did perfectly establish the vibe of the show and featured a highly original story that definitively set it apart from the original series.
3. Final Cut (season 2) - Though often maligned as useless filler, I find it to be a great little character piece. The ending bit with the original series theme still gets me every time.
4. Kobol's Last Gleaming (season 1) - After a sporadic first season filled with mostly one-off episodes, this episode saw the series fully embrace the epic mythology that had been previously hinted at. Sets the stage for the brilliant multi-episode arc that would begin season 2.
5. The Oath (season 4) - Probably the most intense episode of the series. 3 1/2 season's worth of tension boil over.
Other worthy choices that didn't quite make the cut...Lay Your Burdens Down, Sometimes a Great Notion, No Exit, Downloaded, Crossroads, Blood on the Scales.
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Post by Mod City on Mar 17, 2009 19:42:51 GMT -5
Those are some decent choices. Not an easy task to pick five favorites, as there are so many to choose from. But hey, I'll give it a go. Beware spoilers!
Pegasus (Season 2) Both the broadcast and the extended version are fine, but no matter which one you prefer, this episode kicks off the best three-episode arc in the entire series. The introduction of Cain is crucial to the series, and the ending is a no-holds-barred kick ass standoff that immediately has you ready to go for the next episode. It's intense and intriguing from start to finish.
Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II (Season 1) If you're coming into this show without any knowledge of the surprises, this one should leave your jaw on the floor. The scenes with Baltar and Six in the opera house as music rains down are stunningly beautiful. Then there's the military coup. And, of course, Boomer shooting Adama. Nearly impossible to not be hooked after this first season finale.
Scar (Season 2) I love me some Starbuck, and this is arguably her best episode (apologies to Maelstrom, which is also very good). Her drinking is starting to get out of control as she wrestles with the pain of leaving Anders behind on Caprica. Kat is gunning for her Top Gun spot. And there's a crazy Cylon raider out there who has a knack for greasing colonial pilots. The last dogfight (her flashback) and final quieter scenes in this episode are very moving to me. Loved it.
Crossroads (Season 3) A big reveal that rivals the impact of any episode in the series. The use of music is fascinating, giving the entire episode a very haunted feel. Baltar's trial is kind of an underrated portion of this part of the series, and holds my interest. But the big one for me is, of course, the final scene. Starbuck returns - ok, I kind of saw that coming. "I've been to Earth," she says - ok, I didn't see that coming. Last image is camera zooming in, high speed, to what is obviously Earth - holy frak. Just a rousing, fantastic ending.
Blood On The Scales (Season 4) I wanted to include a fourth season episode on this list, so I picked this one (my other choice would have been Someone To Watch Over Me). This one is a shoot-em-up that has you on the edge of your seat. The show doesn't rely on that kind of thing too often, so when they do it, it really gets the blood going. Adama's march to CIC with his people is powerful.
Flesh And Bone (Season 1) I decided to do six because I just remembered this one. More Starbuck, this time torturing Leoben for information. The episode has some of the most interesting, if not confusing, dialog in the entire series and may end up having more to do with the big picture than anyone thought at the time. Roslin airlocking Leoben in the end was a bit of a surprise, and Starbuck's reaction to it was sad. Plus, hard to forget "Adama is a Cylon" and Roslin's strange look at the Commander at the end of the episode. Good stuff.
I'd be remiss is I didn't mention Exodus, and I agree with quinn that Final Cut is a great episode, too.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 17, 2009 22:15:37 GMT -5
I'd have to rewatch the entire series start to finish to single out favorites. However the one that sticks out most in my mind is Pegasus. I was on the edge of my seat during that one.
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Mar 17, 2009 23:13:20 GMT -5
So will this show stand the test of time? Or more specifically, once we know how it all turns out in the end, will it justify watching it again? Or is it based on not-knowing the end? (Like LOST might be.)
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