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Post by samtaco on May 9, 2009 19:13:06 GMT -5
From a interview on atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/speakeasy_with_joel_hodgson/Content?oid=811402Do you have a rivalry with RiffTrax, the downloadable commentaries from Michael Nelson and other "MST3K" alumni?I’m really alert that they’re out there, but they’re doing something that’s so different. They’re in the MP3 business, doing [comments] on newer movies. I did notice that after we started, they started doing older, "MST3K"-type movies. Our thing is about cheesy movies, that’s all we do. They do it all, bad ones, good ones, shorts. I did see that they’ve been running an ad for one that says “It’s MST3K meets Jaws.” That kind of got me. I said “Whaaat? They can’t do that.” What’s up with that? Jaws is Jaws, but that’s not “MST3K.” They’re really talented and really good at what they do, but that made me feel competitive. |
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Post by Isaac on May 12, 2009 16:08:50 GMT -5
I recall him saying pretty much the exact same thing in an older interview.
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Post by callipygias on May 14, 2009 15:34:22 GMT -5
They’re really talented and really good at what they do, but that made me feel competitive. At the pace CT's releasing new eps I hope it's making Joel feel reeeeal competitive. |
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Post by giofav on May 15, 2009 10:19:00 GMT -5
"I did notice that after we started, they started doing older, "MST3K"-type movies."
Thats really an unfortunate comment there, Joel...
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Post by Torgo on May 15, 2009 11:28:12 GMT -5
Well, it should also be noted that we've been requesting older movies here on the board, and I imagine other fans have been too.
It should also be mentioned most of those older releases were stuff Mike already did as an audio commentary.
I'm not sure if Joel is aware of this or not, though.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on May 15, 2009 13:13:21 GMT -5
Well, it's tough to speak for what Joel knows, but given the relatively short history of Rifftrax it's something that shouldn't be *too* difficult to discover.
Not that I think that Joel has to keep up to date on the innermost details of every single thing he's ever done with everyone he's ever worked with, of course, but Mike did his commentaries for Plan 9, Carnival of Souls, etc. before Cinematic Titanic was anything more than the fevered dream of the most optimistic MSTie.
He's right, though, that the two shows are very different in style. But there's also some grey area overlapping.
I mean, he claims that they do "cheesey movies." Does that mean that Crossroads or Star Trek V would be up for grabs or not?
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Post by Mod City on May 15, 2009 14:51:49 GMT -5
From a interview on atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/speakeasy_with_joel_hodgson/Content?oid=811402Do you have a rivalry with RiffTrax, the downloadable commentaries from Michael Nelson and other "MST3K" alumni?I’m really alert that they’re out there, but they’re doing something that’s so different. They’re in the MP3 business, doing [comments] on newer movies. I did notice that after we started, they started doing older, "MST3K"-type movies. Our thing is about cheesy movies, that’s all we do. They do it all, bad ones, good ones, shorts. I did see that they’ve been running an ad for one that says “It’s MST3K meets Jaws.” That kind of got me. I said “Whaaat? They can’t do that.” What’s up with that? Jaws is Jaws, but that’s not “MST3K.” They’re really talented and really good at what they do, but that made me feel competitive. Short answer translation: yes. The rivalry has been going on a while now, and it's probably never going to end. It's always going to feel like mommy and daddy split up but keep on smiling when the kids are around. While CT kind of started out that way, Rifftrax has been drifiting closer toward MST3K-style. The fact that they do so many shorts – and do them well, by the way – makes them feel much closer to the old MST3K style. And to be clear, I have to say it again. I enjoy both projects, though I've taken in more Rifftrax than CT. May they both flourish. |
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Post by Torgo on May 15, 2009 23:07:15 GMT -5
It's always going to feel like mommy and daddy split up but keep on smiling when the kids are around. Haha! That's a brilliant way of describing it! I've always assumed that it was the success of RiffTrax that convinced Joel that Cinematic Titanic would work. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, though Mike, Kevin, and Bill making a good living for several years before Joel and friends decided to jump back in the water always made it seem that way. If anything, the guys at RiffTrax were probably the ones that were intimidated, since they are now releasing DVDs as well. But I feel both projects have their own destinctive vibe, and any competition between the two would just simply come down to what the viewer wants from the riffers. I'm an odd duck. I prefer the Mike years of MST, yet for some reason I find Cinematic Titanic the better of the two. But I'll enjoy both every now and then. I can't help but wonder that if RiffTrax never existed, and had CT still bloomed, would Joel have asked Mike, Kevin, and Bill to join them? Obviously not for an eight man riff, that probably would have been rediculous (about as rediculous as a five man riff back in the days of MST), but maybe they would have taken the places of Josh, Frank, and Mary Jo, or perhaps help write. It's interesting to think about. |
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Post by ensignsmather13 on May 16, 2009 8:10:11 GMT -5
I've always assumed that it was the success of RiffTrax that convinced Joel that Cinematic Titanic would work. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, though Mike, Kevin, and Bill making a good living for several years before Joel and friends decided to jump back in the water always made it seem that way. Well, CT has said they got back into it because they had so much fun working together on that feature for Rhino (on the Giant Gila disc). It was probably the success of their own pilot episode that made them think they should go into business rather than any assumption they could've made about the success of RT. I mean, is RT successful? I seriously doubt Joel has access to their financial statements. RT does audio recordings. I'm no expert, but I'm sure that's a heck of a lot cheaper to produce than the silhouettes. It'd be pretty stupid to go that direction based soley on an assumption of success in a totally different format. I can't help but wonder that if RiffTrax never existed, and had CT still bloomed, would Joel have asked Mike, Kevin, and Bill to join them? You mean like how Mike asked Joel, et al to join them for Film Crew? I wonder if Mike still would have asked Joel to do RiffTrax if CT hadn't started. |
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Post by Torgo on May 16, 2009 9:46:46 GMT -5
I've always assumed that it was the success of RiffTrax that convinced Joel that Cinematic Titanic would work. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, though Mike, Kevin, and Bill making a good living for several years before Joel and friends decided to jump back in the water always made it seem that way. Well, CT has said they got back into it because they had so much fun working together on that feature for Rhino (on the Giant Gila disc). It was probably the success of their own pilot episode that made them think they should go into business rather than any assumption they could've made about the success of RT. I mean, is RT successful? I seriously doubt Joel has access to their financial statements. RT does audio recordings. I'm no expert, but I'm sure that's a heck of a lot cheaper to produce than the silhouettes. It'd be pretty stupid to go that direction based soley on an assumption of success in a totally different format. I don't have Gila Monster, because I bought Volume 10 before the whole Megalon fiasco, and never ordered a Gila disc from Rhino because it's honestly not an episode that inspires much from me. So I have no clue what you're talking about. I doubt RiffTrax would still be around if they weren't doing something that was working and they were making a solid living off of it. They may not be rolling in the dough, but they seem like they're a modest enough success to keep themselves going. I'm not sure how aware Joel was of RiffTrax when it started though. Anything I say is merely an assumtion. I can't help but wonder that if RiffTrax never existed, and had CT still bloomed, would Joel have asked Mike, Kevin, and Bill to join them? You mean like how Mike asked Joel, et al to join them for Film Crew? I wonder if Mike still would have asked Joel to do RiffTrax if CT hadn't started. How very sarcastic and condescending of you. BrainDeadZombie would be proud. I really don't understand why you feel the need to debate me. I made a comment for fun and wonderment, and it seemed to spark some sort of fire in you. Can't we all just get along? :hands flower, puts on puppy dog face: |
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Post by ensignsmather13 on May 16, 2009 10:18:33 GMT -5
You mean like how Mike asked Joel, et al to join them for Film Crew? I wonder if Mike still would have asked Joel to do RiffTrax if CT hadn't started. How very sarcastic and condescending of you. BrainDeadZombie would be proud. I really don't understand why you feel the need to debate me. I made a comment for fun and wonderment, and it seemed to spark some sort of fire in you. Can't we all just get along? :hands flower, puts on puppy dog face: Sorry Torgo, I didn't think I was debating you. Just adding to the wonderment/looking at the other side of the coin. I didn't intend to come across as condescending. |
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Post by Torgo on May 16, 2009 23:04:27 GMT -5
Tis cool. I thought I caught a bit of a sarcastic tone, but was hoping it was just some misunderstanding.
Accept my apologies as well.
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Post by BoB3K on May 18, 2009 8:25:38 GMT -5
Sadly, my opinion of Joel has dropped considerably in the year or so since he's come back on the scene. I only know him through his interviews and his PR for CT, of course. He pretty much completely dismisses MST3K post season 5 when he left. He heavily leans on his "Original Creator of MST3K" title. And someone should tell him that the movies that CT has been doing aren't cheesy movies, they're god-aweful craphole movies. There's a big difference. You could easily argue that with movies like Battlefield Earth, and most all of the comic-book movies, RiffTrax is most definitely riffing "cheesy" movies. They just happen to be newer.
BTW, for the record, my likes (in order of likeness) are still:
1) MST3K - Joel Years
2) MST3K - Mike Years
3) The Film Crew
4) RiffTrax
5) Cinematic Titanic
(Incognito Cinema Warriors XP would probably go right after MST3K, maybe after The Film Crew. You should check them out, if you haven't. They're very good.)
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Post by MonsterX on May 18, 2009 9:53:02 GMT -5
How so? It just seemed like an odd statement to make out of the blue.
Why shouldn’t he? He created it and stuff. I see Mike (or his pr at least) use the "head writer of MST3K" all the time. I dont see why either of them shouldent.
That's a matter of opinion.
I think they are god-awfull crap hole movies, but it's just my opinion of course.
If anyone is leaning on mst3k it's those guys.
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Post by BoB3K on May 19, 2009 8:06:23 GMT -5
I have no interest in discussing this with you MonsterX. We all know you have an undying love for MST3K and Joel and you hate all "posers." Let's leave it at that.
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