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Post by angilasman on Jul 30, 2009 13:21:39 GMT -5
Hmmmm.... I suppose that that could be it. They're running out of movies to use and want to continue their live shows and by keeping those movies from being released on DVD it gives more incentive for fans to see them perform.
In that case, hopefully they'll continue being successful and they'll be able to acquire the rights to more films.
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Post by sirhamhat on Jul 30, 2009 14:57:15 GMT -5
As recently added to Satellite News:
Update: Joel has just sent along a clarification: “Cinematic Titanic does intend to put out more DVDs in the future - we’re just not recording any this summer — sorry for any confusion.”
Well, that certainly helps... You have to be careful how you phrase things to obsessive fans.
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Post by Mogol on Jul 30, 2009 15:10:02 GMT -5
I can imagine Joel submitting that, going about his business. Today he sits down at lunch with a sandwich, turns on his computer, sees the CT forum and/or his email going crazy and does a spit-take all over his computer because of one unclear line.
I'm still inclined to believe that the studio DVDs are finished, and anything we get from here will be a live performance track over the movie. Hopefully I'm wrong since that doesn't hold much appeal for me. But look, when it comes down to it I'm a fan of these guys (and gal), and I'm glad they've found an outlet that they seem to enjoy so much. Whatever they decide about DVDs and whatever form CT grows into, I hope the venture succeeds. I just also hope I'm able to remain a part of it with the studio DVDs.
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Post by ca20 on Jul 30, 2009 15:50:32 GMT -5
I love the idea of seeing these guys live (haven't done it yet, myself), but the idea of watching a DVD of their live show doesn't seem that appealing. Glad to see Joel's clarification.
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Post by wedestroymyths on Jul 30, 2009 17:12:21 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Rifftrax? They're providing more options than ever before with a lot of products and performers. For the record, it is this: A lack of aura, a glut of material, and lackluster quality. Yes, Rifftrax can be funny, but every time I go to the website I feel like I'm in a disgusting tourist trap store, picking through trashy souvenirs trying to find that one classy t-shirt to take home. I actually liked RT more when there weren't so many options--hence the aura problem. I don't want to go to my favorite bands website and be inundated with crap from a bunch of younger bands who are making the same kind of music, but not normally as good. Translated: I don't care if some random guy can crack funny--if it's not MST related, I'd rather invite friends over and do it ourselves. Honestly, we can be just as funny. Promise. My only big beef with RT itself--meaning Mike, Kevin and Bill--is their movie selection. Sure, you can make jokes about anything--neat. So can I. I like the celebration and subversion of kitsch into camp that characterized MST and characterizes CT. So there--don't judge me on these because I recognize that they are strange reasons, but they are valid reasons as well.
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Post by Fred Burroughs on Jul 30, 2009 18:01:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but the way Rifftrax works they have to use more current films. The whole thing is you have to own/rent the DVD to even watch Rifftrax so if they use old/obscure films no one would be able to watch it.
Also seeing as they are only selling mp3's they will have to make a lot of them to make any real profit as the mp3's don't cost anywhere near what a DVD does.
Plus they don't have to worry about movie rights since they aren't reselling the movie itself, so their cost is a lot less. Thus they can produce more.
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Post by Chuck on Jul 30, 2009 18:30:31 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about Rifftrax? They're providing more options than ever before with a lot of products and performers. For the record, it is this: A lack of aura, a glut of material, and lackluster quality. Yes, Rifftrax can be funny, but every time I go to the website I feel like I'm in a disgusting tourist trap store, picking through trashy souvenirs trying to find that one classy t-shirt to take home. I actually liked RT more when there weren't so many options--hence the aura problem. I don't want to go to my favorite bands website and be inundated with crap from a bunch of younger bands who are making the same kind of music, but not normally as good. Translated: I don't care if some random guy can crack funny--if it's not MST related, I'd rather invite friends over and do it ourselves. Honestly, we can be just as funny. Promise. My only big beef with RT itself--meaning Mike, Kevin and Bill--is their movie selection. Sure, you can make jokes about anything--neat. So can I. I like the celebration and subversion of kitsch into camp that characterized MST and characterizes CT. So there--don't judge me on these because I recognize that they are strange reasons, but they are valid reasons as well. For me, MST3K was never the same after Joel left. His coming back to his favorite form was (how shall I put this) life affirming! I enjoy his work and his and his (I'll use the "F" word) FABULOUS crew's approach much more than Mike's.
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Post by Fred Burroughs on Jul 30, 2009 18:35:29 GMT -5
I just can't get into Cinematic Titanic no matter how hard I try. I comes off way too formulaic and stiff. I just don't feel like they are that into it. It's like they're there to do a job and go home. I just wish a CT Live show would come to Houston so I can see if it's better live as I have a feeling it will be.
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Post by ensignsmather13 on Jul 30, 2009 19:01:31 GMT -5
I just can't get into Cinematic Titanic no matter how hard I try. I comes off way too formulaic and stiff. I just don't feel like they are that into it. It's like they're there to do a job and go home. I just wish a CT Live show would come to Houston so I can see if it's better live as I have a feeling it will be. For me, I think that feeling comes from their silhouette arrangement. When they were sitting together at MST they looked more natural, so their jokes came across as more natural. I find that when I have their CT stuff playing in the background (or when I'm not looking directly at the silhouette) they sound much more relaxed than they look, and I don't notice a difference in delivery between CT and MST. Even though they're in the same standing arrangement at the live shows, it's more dynamic there because you can see their faces as they deliver the lines/make each other laugh. So, might help not to look at them when you watch the DVDs.
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Post by Fred Burroughs on Jul 30, 2009 19:12:50 GMT -5
It's also the fact that, other than the skits, they don't interact with each other much. Like they all recorded their dialogue on separate days. If they played off each other more I think there would be more atmosphere and it wouldn't come off like a simple script reading.
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jul 30, 2009 20:40:02 GMT -5
Good to hear Joel's clarification.
Not that I care about him, Trace, Frank, or Josh...
But if I can't see new episodes, starring Mary Jo, I might just end it all!
Kidding! But only Mary Jo (and RAD) has bothered to send me a Christmas Card.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Jul 30, 2009 20:40:29 GMT -5
It makes sense to have a vacation after touring for a while. It also makes sense not issuing any more DVD's if they're having trouble getting the rights to new movies. Not making studio's anymore makes no sense. Out of sight, out of mind. If they didn't issue any new DVD's in a while, a lot of casual fans would forget about them. Even rabid fans might stop going to the shows if they keep doing the same movie over and over. Wouldn't it get boring doing the same riffs for years?
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Post by strangefate on Jul 30, 2009 21:44:47 GMT -5
I don’t think I’d see a live show even if it was playing in my home town. It’s expensive, you only get to see it once (a DVD copy is eternal, basically), and I hate crowds. I’m sorry to see they’re going this route and wonder what it means for the venture’s long term future. Won’t the live show novelty eventually wear out? How long can they keep filling the seats?
Hopefully they’ll reconsider and put some new studio DVDs out eventually. I actually don’t mind waiting, if that means they plan to perform a movie live until they’ve worn it out for those audiences and THEN record the studio version. That way we’d get the best riffs, honed through practice. I felt a lot of the DVDs so far were pretty weak, so they could certainly use work. Of course I’m not as big a fan of Joel’s and Trace’s humor to begin with as I am Mike et all’s.
Still…I own each release. I was aboard for the duration. Don’t leave us home fans stranded at sea and sail off without us Cinematic Titanic! Put us in steerage if you have to, but don’t maroon us!
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Post by wedestroymyths on Jul 31, 2009 0:52:43 GMT -5
I just can't get into Cinematic Titanic no matter how hard I try. Then why are you in this thread? I don't go to the Rifftrax thread to try to convince people their reasons for liking it or disliking CT are wrong, and I didn't say that there weren't reasons for the things I dislike about Rifftrax--I just dislike them. Heck, there are reasons for the things I dislike about Wal Mart, but that doesn't make me like them anymore. Back on topic-- Very nice to hear some clarification from Joel. I'm not nearly as glum about CT now. I can handle a break, but I don't want to lose out on them entirely.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Jul 31, 2009 0:53:14 GMT -5
I'm glad to read that and I hope we do get more DVD. Unlike Fred, I'm mad about the Titans. For me, when they hit the scene it was like coming home. I loved the style of riffing, the delivery and the mix of humor and the interaction. Trax is fine, I like them but CT is perfect. And the thought of no more DVDs... well it did hit me in the heart, the same way when MST was cancelled.
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