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Post by mummifiedstalin on Nov 10, 2010 1:17:07 GMT -5
It's true.Now, I get the fact that a guy can start to resent being typecast as a certain character, especially if he thanks that character exists in a silly and flat world, which I imagine Ford thinks Han Solo does. But, am I wrong that Ford, who (in my opinion, at least) is a mid-level actor at best, actually performed with more energy and vitality as Han Solo than he usually does? I mean, is putting your chin down and growling your lines (which he's done in basically everything after RotJ and Blade Runner) really acting? As much as I loved Indiana Jones, there was more running and looking scared/confused at stuff that wasn't really coming at him than actually acting there. I get that you don't want to be typecast...but isn't it better to be typecast in a role that actually brought out the best in you (or perhaps challenged you to be a bit better than you usually are)?
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Nov 10, 2010 17:04:36 GMT -5
What if he doesn't consider what he did to be good acting, though? What if he thought that he was just "phoning in" Han, and that what he does now is closer to his ideal realization of characters?
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Post by Skyroniter on Nov 10, 2010 18:50:27 GMT -5
Harrison and I have something in common.
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Nov 10, 2010 19:00:24 GMT -5
What if he doesn't consider what he did to be good acting, though? What if he thought that he was just "phoning in" Han, and that what he does now is closer to his ideal realization of characters? Then he's a bad actor. ;D
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Nov 10, 2010 20:01:53 GMT -5
True, but at least he'd be a bad actor with a valid reason for the opinion. ;-)
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Post by Mod City on Nov 10, 2010 20:02:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure anyone on that film ever had a love affair with it outside the paycheck they received. It's too bad, because he's going to have to continue dealing with it for the rest of his life. My recommendation to him would be to buck up and don't take yourself so damn seriously.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Nov 10, 2010 20:07:57 GMT -5
I think he's moved on about as well as can be continued, though honestly with exception of Indiana Jones I'm not sure there's anything he's ever done that'll be more iconic.
Not like Mark Hammill, who will always be, in my mind, The Joker. Yes, I know some people claim they can't think of him without thinking of Luke Skywalker, but I think he's finally gotten past that as far as I'm concerned. Now he's just The Joker for me.
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Post by The Mad Plumber on Nov 10, 2010 22:11:14 GMT -5
I'm going to simply pose the question of: why do people think that the actors need to like their roles and need to always talk about it?
Now, don't get me wrong. I love the The Star Wars Trilogy and I greatly appreciate all the input that the original cast and crew has poured into documentaries (although I think it's gotten to the point that there are inconsistencies or conflicting messages). However, I got to look at it this way: it's just a job. For five years, I worked at Target. Do you think I want to be bothered to talk a whole bunch about Target and what a great place it is? No, I don't. I have no fond memories of Target. I worked there and I got paid. My business with Target is done. I'm not interested in getting accosted by fanatics who are obsessed with Target.
Another thing to look at is that I think Harrison Ford actually hates Hollywood and wants little to nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, he seems like he gets dragged into do promotional gigs for all the latest flicks he's in.
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Post by siamesesin on Nov 10, 2010 22:35:13 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who was in love with Han Solo/Indiana Jones from the time she was four, I think Harrison Ford was not a good actor back then. I would consider what he's done since an improvement (and I would agree it isn't often great). As the actual performer he's got every right to have his own opinion about his work.
And like Plumber said, if it wasn't a job you were into and it was in the past, why would you want to keep talking about it, especially if you have repeatedly made it explicitly clear you've moved on with your life?
I don't prescribe to the believe that a performer owes it to me to live in a character just because I bought a ticket. I can have my opinions, but so can they.
It reminds me of that bit from SNL with Shatner. At the end he folded, but he still had a point.
"Get a life, will you people?"
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Nov 11, 2010 0:47:51 GMT -5
But I think that even non-Star Wars "fans" would admit that Star Wars is a bit of an exception that rule. It's iconic in a way that few movies, few books, few entertainment of any stripe is. Even if he thought the script sucked or that his character was a lame doof, or that he had to act with a bunch of second rate hacks, it just seems like you'd react with a bit more humility to something that has ballooned into what Star Wars ultimately became.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Nov 11, 2010 4:03:06 GMT -5
If Christopher Plummer can diss the much beloved Sound of Music (hated the movie, called it the "Sound of Mucus" - which is very funny BTW), why should Ford have any more humility concerning something like Star Wars? Hell, Sir Alec mocked the movie and his role as well. I don't I agree that SW is an exception to whatever rule we are speaking of. Nor do I have a problem with Ford's stance (but that might because I'm a Brando fan and am inured to an actor spitting venom at a role... almost every role
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Post by CBG on Nov 11, 2010 8:07:22 GMT -5
Who gives a damn what actors have to say anyway? I couldn't care less what Ham Yoyo thinks. And I'll echo what Plumber said about work, since I work in this business, "...it's a job, and you move on to the next job."
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Post by siamesesin on Nov 11, 2010 9:09:06 GMT -5
But I think that even non-Star Wars "fans" would admit that Star Wars is a bit of an exception that rule. It's iconic in a way that few movies, few books, few entertainment of any stripe is. Even if he thought the script sucked or that his character was a lame doof, or that he had to act with a bunch of second rate hacks, it just seems like you'd react with a bit more humility to something that has ballooned into what Star Wars ultimately became. If you wrote what you considered a masterwork and people kept bringing up the short story about being sad you wrote in high school, you could be flattered but you might also get annoyed pretty quick. After all, you'd probably think you'd improved on a professional level and you'd also be trying to sell your new work. There's nothing wrong with people loving the movies. But just because others see them as iconic and groundbreaking doesn't mean everyone does. It is perfectly fair that one (actually, many) of the people involved in its creation is one of them. Frankly, I prefer his honesty over someone who grits his teeth to "love" it just so he can sucking up a paycheck from the fanboys.
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Nov 11, 2010 11:01:54 GMT -5
What is wrong with you people? WHY WON'T YOU LET ME HATE HARRISON FORD! HAN SHOT FIRST!
heh.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 11, 2010 13:59:50 GMT -5
But I think that even non-Star Wars "fans" would admit that Star Wars is a bit of an exception that rule. It's iconic in a way that few movies, few books, few entertainment of any stripe is. Even if he thought the script sucked or that his character was a lame doof, or that he had to act with a bunch of second rate hacks, it just seems like you'd react with a bit more humility to something that has ballooned into what Star Wars ultimately became. That's pretty much how I see it. The franchise made him a star, I don't think it's terribly much to ask that he not trash it constantly. The fact he was Han Solo still makes him money by drawing people who remember him from that role to his subsequent movies. It's certainly his right, no doubt, but I don't have to like it. If he really wants people to forget about Star Wars, he should do something that makes people forget about Star Wars. And I don't buy the "he hates Hollywood" argument. I hate my job sometimes, too, but I don't bitch about it every time someone compliments me about something I don't feel is my best work. If you hate your job that much, go back to being a carpenter. But I'll play along. If I ever meet him I'll go on for ten minutes about Hollywood Homicide
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