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Post by Ratso on Sept 2, 2011 1:32:32 GMT -5
So apparently a blu ray version of the star wars flicks is coming out and Lucas has decided his original changes weren't idiotic enough so he's decided to add some newer dumber ones.... This one is amazing. Just when I thought he couldn't ruin Return Of The Jedi anymore he goes and makes Vader scream "NO" again. WHAT the hell is he thinking? Vader screaming "NO" is one of the most ridiculed things in the history of film did he mistake that for praise and think we wanted more? You know who would really hate this? 1988 George Lucas savestarwars.com/lucasspeechagainstspecialedition.html
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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 1:52:18 GMT -5
I could have called this years ago. Why is this so shocking?
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Post by The Mad Plumber on Sept 2, 2011 2:00:06 GMT -5
Ratso, you are made out of pure, concentrated evil. I don't know whether to cry or laugh at this. Ben sounds like he's responding to a cold thermometer being inserted. I expect him to go, "Wooooo! Packers!"
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Post by Ratso on Sept 2, 2011 2:48:07 GMT -5
I could have called this years ago. Why is this so shocking? It's not shocking... It's annoying. I don't know why he has to keep making these stupid changes It's like he's messing with people for the hell of it. Ratso, you are made out of pure, concentrated evil. I don't know whether to cry or laugh at this. Ben sounds like he's responding to a cold thermometer being inserted. I expect him to go, "Wooooo! Packers!" I know he sounds like a drunk guy in a frat ready to rip his clothes off and runaround outside, well either that or the lightsaber went off in his pants. And now this...
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Post by Mighty Jack on Sept 2, 2011 3:40:14 GMT -5
Holy crap, these made me laugh my ass off. I only thank God that Hitchcock is my favorite director and that he's dead. It makes me shudder to think of him fiddling on a new version of Psycho - with Norman Bates making that WHOO-AAAAH sound while stabbing away in the shower.
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 2, 2011 7:15:20 GMT -5
is this a hoax? i can't help but think maybe i'm being fished in. he wouldn't do it AGAIN, would he?
if so, joke's gonna be on lucas when nobody buys his blu-rays. didn't he notice that the first special edition was utterly reviled? anyway, "star wars" and "empire strikes back" were the only star wars flicks that were any good, so he's only ruining the legacy of two movies. it could be worse. at least he's not going back and diddling with THX-1138 or American Graffiti. (or is he? i haven't been keeping up.)
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 2, 2011 9:12:53 GMT -5
the real hell of it is when obi-wan wails like a banshee in the original star wars, that's a pretty great moment, man. or i should say it was, until lucas decided it didn't suck enough, and he needed to crank up the suck knob to 11.
man, this really DOES make me bitter. please tell me it's a joke.
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Post by Mod City on Sept 2, 2011 12:46:24 GMT -5
At some point don't you have to have confidence in your vision as an artist and be satisfied with what you created? I don't get his obsession with reworking everything constantly. How insecure is he?
But then again, he's made these kind of stupid mistakes before. Kind of like not letting a good director handle the new trilogy. I just hope Spielberg never takes out Indy shooting the swordsman from Raiders.
One reason this king of thing gets done is SW fans WILL buy these Blu-rays. Lucas could CGI himself into the Lando role and fans would still buy it. They'd be mad as hell, but they'd still buy it.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 12:54:38 GMT -5
But then again, he's made these kind of stupid mistakes before. Kind of like not letting a good director handle the new trilogy. I just hope Spielberg never takes out Indy shooting the swordsman from Raiders. The swordsman shot first!
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Post by inlovewithcrow on Sept 2, 2011 13:59:58 GMT -5
Well, it's his playground, and if he wants to crap in it repeatedly, that's his business.
My enthusiasm over Star Wars, moderate as it was, lasted right up until the original introduction of the Ewoks...and then evaporated nearly entirely at that very moment That was a lifetime ago.
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 2, 2011 14:38:43 GMT -5
Well, it's his playground, and if he wants to crap in it repeatedly, that's his business. My enthusiasm over Star Wars, moderate as it was, lasted right up until the original introduction of the Ewoks...and then evaporated nearly entirely at that very moment That was a lifetime ago. precisely! and my enthusiasm was NOT moderate. star wars came out when i was eight and empire when i was 10 or 11 and i UTTERLY ADORED them. i detest return of the jedi solely and yet irrevocably because of the ewoks. (well, there was some pretty stupid stuff in jabba the hutt's lair, too, but i would have been willing to forgive it because the dogfight at the end was amazing.) rumor is lucas was originally going to make the planet a planet of wookies, not ewoks, and that would have been, as joel likes to say, "BOSS." i would totally have put return of the jedi right up there with the first two if he'd done that. i heard he went with the ewoks because they'd already had chewbacca in all three movies and he thought audiences would have tired of wookies. first, DUMB. it would have been a great chance to give chewbacca more detail as a character, show him interacting with his own kind, maybe have him have a totally different personality around other wookies than he has around humans. hell, lucas could even have given him a love interest! (try not to think about that one too hard.) it would have been a great opportunity for backstory. also, i don't believe him. i think he went with the ewoks because he wanted the movie to appeal to a younger, like three and up, crowd, broaden his demographic and make more money. in other words, it was a totally cynical marketing move. i have another theory, i think i may have mentioned it before, so sorry if i'm repeating myself, but i don't think lucas EVER had a huge saga just sitting in the wings when the first star wars came out. i think he'd just conceived it as a standalone movie and when it was a huge success (the studio was apparently really scared it was gonna be a flop, for whatever reason they thought sci-fi was dead in the movies, if you can believe it), when it was a huge success he was like, "yeah, um.... i have eight more! yeah, that's the ticket." i know it starts off with "IV: A New Hope," etc., but you gotta remember Star Wars was boosting off the old serials, flash gordon and so on, and i think starting off with Episode IV was just an inside joke alluding to that, or a way to evoke the aesthetic of the old serials. also, and i'm actually quite sure i've said this before, but... i've always believed that bad sequels don't hurt good movies. Jaws is not one jot less of a magnificent film just because Jaws 3D sucked eggs. but with the star wars movies, that's not true. After groaning my way through phantom menace, and learning how infantile lucas' humor ended up being, i start seeing the kernels of that in star wars and empire and some of the stuff that totally didn't used to bother me grates a bit. C3P0's mincing little schtick. The scene in the Death Star when chewbacca growls at the remote controlled miniature pacing car thing and it squeaks in fear and speeds away. the "i'd just as soon kiss a wookie" line and han solo's whole "you know you want me, baby" schtick with leia in Empire. I used to not mind those jokes and even found them a bit funny, but now i see in them the foul germ of what would later sprout into Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 14:48:22 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Lucas to replace the Yoda puppet in Empire and Jedi with CGI. Apperantly he's already done so with Phantom Menace.
Only a matter of time.
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Post by Ratso on Sept 2, 2011 14:58:04 GMT -5
I'm waiting for Lucas to replace the Yoda puppet in Empire and Jedi with CGI. Apperantly he's already done so with Phantom Menace. Only a matter of time. I'm waiting for that as well. I'm also waiting for when Luke unmasks Vader we see Hayden Christensen instead of Sebastian Shaw. Oh and I remember liking Return of the Jedi, though I haven't seen it in years because I loathe the new version.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 15:20:42 GMT -5
There were a lot of rumors back in 2004 that Shaw was replaced by Christianson entirely when they came out on DVD. Luckily, Lucas held himself back. Looks like he's going senile again, though, so anything goes. Those audio additions remind me of Luke's Emperor scream that was added to Empire in 1997. The backlash got it removed, and I can only hope that happens here as well because these sound equally as horrible. Especially the "NO!" which, like the scream, doesn't add anuthong to scene. It isn't needed. Vader's action says it all, and the impact of it can't be improved.
I think I'm going to skip the Blu-Rays. I like Star Wars and all, and some of the changes don't bother me, but a lot of what I'm hearing is making me cringe. I think I'll stick with my DVDs for the time being
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Post by Mod City on Sept 2, 2011 15:33:48 GMT -5
But then again, he's made these kind of stupid mistakes before. Kind of like not letting a good director handle the new trilogy. I just hope Spielberg never takes out Indy shooting the swordsman from Raiders. The swordsman shot first! I'm afraid he'd just completely delete the scene! It would be too easy to do. I know he's talked about taking it out because he suddenly finds it too violent. Kind of like how he took the guns out of the agents' hands and replaced them with walkie talkies in E.T. Yeah, I hated Christensen being added to the end of Jedi, too. I also didn't like them changing the Emperor hologram in Empire. Life goes on, I guess, but I'm not picking up the Blu-rays until Lucas calms himself down and releases a halfway recognizable version of the movies I enjoyed just fine the first time around.
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