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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 15:41:28 GMT -5
I think Spielberg is more restrained than Lucas. Yes, he did that needless special edition of ET (which I attribute mainly to peer pressure from George), but the closest he's done to altering his movies since is digitally removing the snake's reflection in Raiders. I remember it sparked a lot of debate abouthow he was tampering with the classic, but I've heard him address that stating that it was the only change je ever intends to make to the film.
And I have to admit, without the obvious plate of glass in between Indy and the snake, that scene shot up on the intense level.
As long as he leaves Jaws alone. Hear me, Speilberg! Don't you dare add CG sharks to that thing! Ever!
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Post by Mod City on Sept 2, 2011 15:51:59 GMT -5
Fixing stuff like the snake's reflection doesn't bother me in the slightest. Although I'll admit, for many years after seeing Raiders I never saw the reflection. I guess I was too focused on the scene. As long as he leaves Jaws alone. Hear me, Speilberg! Don't you dare add CG sharks to that thing! Ever! Now that's a horrible thought. Maybe he could add a CGI Richard Dreyfuss instead
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Sept 2, 2011 16:06:14 GMT -5
I honestly think that Lucas thinks of himself less as a director or even really a story teller and more of a technical innovator. I'd bet he truly feels less interested in the mythology of Star Wars and its fan base than he does his legacy in how he changed the technical possibilities of movie making.
So updating the movies time and again is precisely what he wants to do. He's probably less interested in being loyal to anyone's sense of nostalgia than in doing what he seems as pushing movie making limits.
That doesn't mean I like it. But it's a better explanation than "He's a dumbass who hates his fans and just wants to destroy his own movies."
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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 16:17:23 GMT -5
That's pretty much how I view him. Lucas is constantly going on about the limitations he had to deal with, and now he's reached a point in his life where he doesn't have limitations so he's playing around.
But some of the changes he's made shouldn't have been added on the basis of common sense. Technilogical innovation is an excuse for adding special effects, but adding the line "NO!" to a place that doesn't need it to be powerful, or makong Obi Won produce a noise that he couldn't have possibly made? This is stuff I don't understand in the slightest.
The 2004 versions were at least mosly just technilogical add ons, with the one comparible add in piec of dialogue (the scream) removed. And at least the limited editions offered the original trilogy, even if it wasn't animorphic.
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 2, 2011 17:15:25 GMT -5
i get that he's big on this "perfection" thing vis-a-vis CGI (which i think is a crock, but whatev, it's just another FX process), but i don't get why he can't do 'em as director's cuts or DVD/blu-ray extras. i mean, to just erase the original theatrical versions from the planet? it's Orwellian!
Ok, that's probably a bit hyperbolic, but seriously. i think there's a misguided sense of vanity and self-importance at work. maybe when he watches the old versions he gets embarrassed seeing what he deems to be imperfections and so on. but what's he doing sitting around watching and brooding on his old movies? it seems either narcissistic or obsessive.
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 2, 2011 17:23:43 GMT -5
George should get that Da Vinci "Art is never finished, only abandoned" quote tattooed somewhere prominently visible on his body.
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Post by Ratso on Sept 2, 2011 19:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 2, 2011 19:42:16 GMT -5
oh damn i laughed so hard i started panicking for oxygen
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Post by Torgo on Sept 2, 2011 20:18:08 GMT -5
Rarso, have I ever told you how much I love you?
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Post by Mod City on Sept 2, 2011 20:39:00 GMT -5
^ I second all of that. Hilarious, Ratso!
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Post by Frameous on Sept 2, 2011 22:14:22 GMT -5
Day officially made (at that pic, not this lousy news).
As a would be film maker, I support his right to do this like I support the right racists and religious zealots have to their free speech. I refuse to get up in arms about it because I am secure in two facts: the original versions will always be available, and he is only making himself look foolish in these attempts.
I've made this comparison before, but look at what Scott did with the Blade Runner final cut. He used today's innovations to fix minor imperfections and weaved them seamlessly into the existing film. Now that's tweaking done right. Much like the fix in Raiders, it was unobtrusive and bolstered the quality. Pay heed Lucas.
BTW I still like Jedi, and always will. The battle on the sail barge, the final dogfight, and the Luke/Vader showdown is great stuff, worthy of its predecessors.
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Post by The Mad Plumber on Sept 2, 2011 22:16:12 GMT -5
I could care less about any modifications that are done to The Phantom Menace. However, I would like to say one thing: the puppet from Phantom Menace did not look as good as the puppet from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Maybe it's because, in the original two movies, Yoda was being contrasted against the atmosphere of Dagobah.
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Post by Mod City on Sept 3, 2011 2:25:39 GMT -5
Day officially made (at that pic, not this lousy news). As a would be film maker, I support his right to do this like I support the right racists and religious zealots have to their free speech. I refuse to get up in arms about it because I am secure in two facts: the original versions will always be available, and he is only making himself look foolish in these attempts. I've made this comparison before, but look at what Scott did with the Blade Runner final cut. He used today's innovations to fix minor imperfections and weaved them seamlessly into the existing film. Now that's tweaking done right. Much like the fix in Raiders, it was unobtrusive and bolstered the quality. Pay heed Lucas. BTW I still like Jedi, and always will. The battle on the sail barge, the final dogfight, and the Luke/Vader showdown is great stuff, worthy of its predecessors. Gotta agree with all of that. Blade Runner is a great example of changes done very well. He did some nice stuff with Alien as well. But he made up his mind and seemed to focus on stuff the studio forced him to cut/change. Lucas had a blank check after Star Wars and could have done the "No" change to the climactic scene in Jedi years ago but he didn't. Why not? He didn't have to wait for the Blu-ray to do that. Most filmmakers deliver a product and stand by it. Lucas continues to wring his hands over the damn thing. And I like Jedi, too. No apologies from me on that one
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 4, 2011 12:39:55 GMT -5
jedi had great action scenes, i'll giive you that. it's worth sitting through the ewok crap to get that magnificent final dogfight. (although, even that... you're just gonna blow up another death star? you couldn't come up with something new, george?) but the ewoks, man. they just hurt. they hurt so bad.
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Post by TheNewMads on Sept 4, 2011 12:42:30 GMT -5
also, the musical number in the beginning. SO STUPID. nix that, and swap the ewoks for wookies, and i'm on board. you wanna change your films, george? how about airbrushing a wookie over every single ewok in return of the jedi. now THAT might be useful. while you're at it, why not digitally replace Jar Jar Binks with that hot girl in a bikini from The Blood Waters of Dr. Z. Then the prequels might even be watchable.
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