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Post by RedTom on Apr 22, 2015 0:48:44 GMT -5
Why does this keep happening? Every once in a while, there will be an episode of MST that I just hate so much because the movie is so fricken stupid! There will be especially idiotic scenes, and insufferable acting! There are also times when our robot friends just can't cover up how bad it is with their riffs. Now let's cut to a year or two later, and here I am looking for something to watch and I'll come across the same episode.
This happened with Gunslinger, Wild Wild World of Batwoman, and just recently it happened with Angels' Revenge. I'll come across it again and watch it, and then I'm hooked. For some reason I will watch the episode again and again and it will become a staple. I still watch Deathstalker and the Warriors from Hell to this day, and I hated it the first time.
I'm sure this has happened to more than one of you. Which episode do you absolutely hate the first time but then later you start to watch it over and over again?
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 22, 2015 9:11:13 GMT -5
There aren't any episodes I really "hate" but am not a big fan of.
For example, I used to not be a real big fan of The Dead Talk Back. I thought the riffing was kind of spare with a few chuckles here and there, and the host segments were okay. I just wish the gag of Crow playing the long guitar solo based off Jerry Garcia's long guitar solos could have just lasted in segment 3. My opinion slightly went up cause I did get some new jokes I didn't before (like Servo mocking the ABC song "Poison Arrow"), but otherwise it's still an okay episode.
One episode, however, I have tried watching over and over is The Hellcats. Honestly, it's an episode where I feel like it was just made as pure filler. Joel using an invention exchange from the previous episode, the Mads using the bikes from Wild Rebels and the flashbacks to previous episodes. The riffing itself is so-so. Has a few good jokes like Joel pointing out one guy looking like Gilbert Gottfried but overall, I think it's one of their weakest episodes. (And The Hellcats is just one awful movie).
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Apr 22, 2015 18:05:06 GMT -5
Episodes which I flat-out hated -- as the original poster says, because the movie itself was so wretched -- like Castle Of Fu Manchu, or Time of the Apes, I just stayed away from.
On the other hand, there were a fair number of episodes which I simply was kind of "m'eh" about -- like Lost Continent, or Mighty Jack, or Tormented, or Colossus And The Headhunters -- which I'd watch a time or two, and put aside... then, some months later, just on a whim, I'd give them another shot and discover something about them which I never noticed before, and they'd end up becoming huge favorites.
When I first saw Mighty Jack, the movie was so plodding and the plot so disjointed that I gave it a pass when it aired in reruns later that year... but years later, I watched it again, and found myself just digging the hell out of it. The host segments were hysterical -- especially the "Slow The Plot Down" song -- and the riffing was killer. What I discovered with a plodder like Mighty Jack was to not get too bent out of shape over the plot or the pacing, and just kick back and enjoy the ride.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Apr 22, 2015 18:22:07 GMT -5
Why does this keep happening? Every once in a while, there will be an episode of MST that I just hate so much because the movie is so fricken stupid! There will be especially idiotic scenes, and insufferable acting! I'm totally down with you on this point, though we probably differ on the issue of stupid scenes and rotten acting. Maybe I'm just kind of weird that way, but the stupider certain scenes are, or the worse the acting, the more I like it. Many of my favorite episodes feature movies with an actor or actors whose performances have me gasping out loud to myself, "God, she's bad!". The actress playing Nila in Cavé Dwellers and the woman playing the Boring Scientist's Daughter in Robot Holocaust -- hell, pretty much the entire cast of Robot Holocaust, for that matter -- pretty much set my personal bar for "God, she's bad!" It's not that I don't enjoy great films and great acting, but I do have a perverse love for really bad movies and really bad acting as well -- but it's got to be really, really, really bad. Remember that one Info Club letter they read in Season 1, from the guy who said that if a movie gets more than one star in the TV guide, it's not worth watching? Well, I'm in that camp. Most times, I'm only bugged about writing, acting and such in a MSTied movie when it isn't done badly enough. Time Of The Apes, for instance, is one of thoes movies that isn't bad enough. The crappy ape costumes where the mouths don't move when they talk gave it a bit of promise -- hell, even Murphy's ape costume in the SciFi host segments has a mouth that moves -- but the rest of the movie just didn't seem bad enough, just merely crappy. To this day, I think they should've bumped Time Of The Apes so they could do Plan 9 From Outer Space (although RiffTrax finally righted that great wrong). |
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Apr 22, 2015 18:30:57 GMT -5
...One episode, however, I have tried watching over and over is The Hellcats. Honestly, it's an episode where I feel like it was just made as pure filler. Joel using an invention exchange from the previous episode, the Mads using the bikes from Wild Rebels and the flashbacks to previous episodes. The riffing itself is so-so. Has a few good jokes like Joel pointing out one guy looking like Gilbert Gottfried but overall, I think it's one of their weakest episodes. (And The Hellcats is just one awful movie). Actually -- I think it's covered in the ACEG -- they were stumped for ideas or pressed for time when making that episode, so they thought they'd save some time by doing host segments which were "flashbacks" induced by some cold medicine they took in the opening segment. As the story goes, they didn't really save enough time to make any difference. As far as the Hobby Hogs that Dr. F and Frank were sitting on in the opening Deep 13 segment, it made sense because it was another biker flick. Besides, I thought the Hobby Hogs were hilarious. "For kids who want to get into concert security..." Bwah ha ha ha hah. Also, for the record, all three of the episodes in the Biker Trilogy were instant favorites of mine, precisely because of the even-then already hackneyed biker stereotypes, and Ross Hagen's acting in Hellcats and Sidehackers. |
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Post by torm on Apr 25, 2015 21:37:08 GMT -5
i love the hellcats. it's easily my favorite of the biker films from season 2. ross hagen's character is just so crazy. those beer-fueled sleazefests always tickle me in a weird way, like girl in gold boots.
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Apr 30, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
I don't remember being big on "Cave Dwellers" upon first viewing, but it's grown on me.
I absolutely despise "Incredibly Strange Creatures". Upon 2nd viewing I realized though, I like the riffing, I just hate the friggin movie. Easily one of the most unwatchable films they ever riffed (even more so that Monster A-Go Go).
I don't care much for "Invasion of the Neptune Men" either, but I think when I re-watched it a couple years ago, it does have some funny moments, but like "Strange Creatures", the film is just godawful.
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Post by Ford Prefect on May 4, 2015 10:17:34 GMT -5
One of the reasons this show ages so well is that there are lots of different jokes to potentially enjoy. This helps the episodes stand up to multiple viewings. We're also fortunate that there are over 170 of them. If you watch one every week it would take you almost four years to loop back to the one you initially started on, even if you skip KTMA. You're a slightly different person than you were four years ago, so you notice lots of jokes that you either didn't remember or didn't get the last time you watched it. That's why it's always good to revisit episodes every once in a while, even if you don't remember them too fondly. By the way, you Ross Hagen fans will be happy to know Rifftrax did another one of his movies recently. It's called Wonder Women. www.rifftrax.com/wonder-women |
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Post by Phantom Engineer on May 4, 2015 18:57:03 GMT -5
In the early days of this board I decreed "Phantom's Law." It is simply this. One's opinion of the movie can have an effect on one's opinion of the episode. I have seen it over and over that a fan's bad opinion of an ep is more centered on the movie itself rather than the riffing or host segs. Someone else then commented that repeat viewings can diminish the effects of Phantom's Law. And just like E=mc2 these laws seem to be confirmed repeatedly.
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Post by Truck Farmer on May 5, 2015 14:43:08 GMT -5
Phantom has much in common with Einstein. Harry Einstein.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on May 5, 2015 18:47:16 GMT -5
I don't remember being big on "Cave Dwellers" upon first viewing, but it's grown on me. I absolutely despise "Incredibly Strange Creatures". Upon 2nd viewing I realized though, I like the riffing, I just hate the friggin movie. Easily one of the most unwatchable films they ever riffed (even more so that Monster A-Go Go). I don't care much for "Invasion of the Neptune Men" either, but I think when I re-watched it a couple years ago, it does have some funny moments, but like "Strange Creatures", the film is just godawful. Yeah... Cavé Dwellers kinda just blew by me at first, but watching it again some time later, it just tickled the living crap out of me, and I ended up loving it... the riffing on the interminable flashback narrated by The Boring Old Guy, and Servo's classic "dinngggg.... donnngggg" still bust me up after 20-odd years. I have a VLC Player "mix" entitled "Third-Rate Festival" which includes Incredibly Strange Creatures (along with Creeping Terror, Monster A Go-Go, and Manos); that's one of my top ten faves precisely because the movie is just so off-scale godawful, and Mike'n'the Bots really rip it a new one. I loved Neptune Men immediately, and like to watch it in a double feature with Prince Of Space now. I actually much preferred Neptune Men to Prince Of Space at first, but a couple of years ago I pulled Prince out of the backup pile and gave it another shot, and ended up absolutely loving it every bit as much as Neptune Men.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on May 5, 2015 18:49:43 GMT -5
In the early days of this board I decreed "Phantom's Law." It is simply this. One's opinion of the movie can have an effect on one's opinion of the episode. I have seen it over and over that a fan's bad opinion of an ep is more centered on the movie itself rather than the riffing or host segs. Someone else then commented that repeat viewings can diminish the effects of Phantom's Law. And just like E=mc 2 these laws seem to be confirmed repeatedly. I'll testify to that, with the exception of Castle Of Fu Manchu, Time Of The Apes, and Alien From L.A.
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Post by kmorgan on May 6, 2015 0:07:10 GMT -5
Well, not exactly "hated", but I just could not sit through "Manos" at first. It was just too awful a movie. The first time I was able to get through it and see just why the ep is a classic was when I saw with a group during ConventioCon I. I guess I just needed the support. Once I heard Joel shout out, "DO SOMETHING!", I knew it was going to be OK.
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Post by torm on May 17, 2015 22:38:39 GMT -5
i have no idea what people find so unwatchable about alien from la. it's one of my favorite episodes so obviously i'm going to be a bit defensive, but i fail to see how it could be at the top of anyone's crushingly unbearable list. kathy's squeaky voice is kinda annoying, yeah, but the movie is well-shot, in color, has a decent pace, and is generally pretty competent and easy to look at. why does it get more scorn than, say, something like radar secret service which is just indistinguishable men in suits talking for an hour?
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Post by ChrisDalek on May 18, 2015 5:07:23 GMT -5
I struggle with Alien too. The film is just so dark and ugly to look at. I know that's an issue with a lot of MST'd movies, but usually I can cope with it. The world of Alien from LA just isn't a place I want to spend much time in.
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