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Post by gerswin on Feb 22, 2017 4:40:51 GMT -5
I believe the Netflix Twitter announcement has given us our first look at the new 'bot designs, right? The first thing that jumps out to me is that Gypsy is hanging from the ceiling! I wonder if she's on some sort of track that will slide around and lower down. Certainly seems easier to manage than a suit you have to wear. Here's Servo compared to his old design: - One of his fins is tilted. Did they bump it while taking the photo, and no one noticed? - His shoulder sockets are now angled. - His arms are obviously longer and more rounded. To me this makes him look stouter. - Does the bottom barrel of his head seem slightly wider? Crow seems to have the biggest changes: - His arms are now double-barreled. It's interested that Joel kept the same parts but doubled them up, rather than completely redesigning then. Makes it almost hard to notice at first glance. - His arms also seem to by default be hanging down. I'm curious if this was just for staging the photo. - His hands are the same design, but are significantly bigger than before. It seems likely that this is to help him grasp things, as Joel has suggested he'll be doing now. - I always have a hard time judging his paint color due to the lighting. It seems more gold than before, but the lighting during the Sci-Fi era also made it look pretty gold. Overall there are some interesting changes. It would have been easy to make some small aesthetic adjustment that totally changed their feel, but it looks like that didn't happen. As it stands, Tom just looks fatter and Crow's arms and hands are huge!
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Post by Torgo on Feb 22, 2017 11:57:36 GMT -5
On the issue with color, there could be two likely reasons for the bots' color looking off. One of course is the lighting, since the bots always seemed to gain and/or lose something in the glint of different sets. They looked a certain way against the plain set of season one, but looked different against the set of the rest of CC, and looked a bit different when they darkened the lighting during the Mike and Sci-Fi years. This set in particular seems like a halfway point between the CC and Sci-Fi sets, and probably closer to the sets used in "The Movie" more than anything.
The other is a bit simpler. Being out of production for the better portion of two decades means they had to re-find the correct paints they used. And it's probable that they may have settled for the closest thing they could find.
Also note that Crow is reflecting a little bit of green in his image, which is most likely a green screen off camera. Those screens are always very noticeable in a gold color like that.
Seeing the new attributes of the bots is a bit jarring at first but I'll adjust. Servo reminds me a bit of his first season incarnation (with the thicker tube arms and all), so he's the one that I'm coping with the easiest. Mostly I'm eager to see these puppies in action before I judge whether or not the changes were worthwhile.
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Post by superandroidtron on Feb 22, 2017 12:09:29 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but the lens on Gypsy's flashlight/eye looks much larger than it did during the original series.
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Post by Torgo on Feb 22, 2017 12:22:06 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but the lens on Gypsy's flashlight/eye looks much larger than it did during the original series. It's not just you, it's definitely quite a bit bigger. The lens now seems to extend to the edge of the "flashlight" itself, and there's a bulky rim around it.
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Post by BoB3K on Feb 22, 2017 12:45:31 GMT -5
Funny, but I think Crow's lowered arms now make him look more like they don't work than before. Like he's lost all feeling in them and they're hanging there limp.
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Post by Triple_sSs on Feb 22, 2017 14:16:49 GMT -5
I'm kinda digging Crow's new arms here, they do look "stronger". Also interesting how Gypsy is on the ceiling now.
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Post by Torgo on Feb 22, 2017 14:31:42 GMT -5
Funny, but I think Crow's lowered arms now make him look more like they don't work than before. Like he's lost all feeling in them and they're hanging there limp. It's probably because one still shot is all we have to go on and they didn't opt to pose them. We're so used to the bots having dead arms that it's hard to conceive them functioning at all. It's going to be weird, I'll tell you that much.
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Post by BoB3K on Feb 22, 2017 14:34:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a little worried that if the show is good and keeps going, we (and obviously new viewers) will get used to the new animated bots, and then the 'classic' bots will look handicapped in comparison. It's one of the things I kind of wish they hadn't messed with.
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Post by Torgo on Feb 22, 2017 14:39:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a little worried that if the show is good and keeps going, we (and obviously new viewers) will get used to the new animated bots, and then the 'classic' bots will look handicapped in comparison. It's one of the things I kind of wish they hadn't messed with. Well, let's look at it this way: Star Trek was limited in its makeup and the look of the Klingons was reflective of that. In Star Trek: The Motion Picture they had the budget to redesign the alien race and that became their more associated look. While it's strange for later fans to look back at the original episodes as a bit "crude," we very much do so with the understanding of era context.
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Post by gorncaptain on Feb 22, 2017 21:51:43 GMT -5
Revising a classic iconic design is fraught with peril. Dr. Who fans were generally pleased with the updated Daleks when the series was revived in 2005, but the new design seen since 2010, not so much. I think I saw the new flashlight they're using for Gypsy at the supermarket tonight, but by the time I noticed them, I didn't want to lose my place in the checkout line. It definitely has a larger lens.
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Post by Torgo on Feb 22, 2017 21:58:11 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't know very much about Dr. Who but...they all look the same to me.
Does this make me a robo-racist?
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Post by gorncaptain on Feb 23, 2017 1:39:46 GMT -5
Daleks aren't actually robots, so no?
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Feb 23, 2017 12:32:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Tot-G. The Daleks are the aliens *inside* the robots. (As a fan of the show, I have to say that I didn't dislike, or even notice, the newest Dalek design.)
And speaking of not noticing things: Servo and Crow didn't really throw me off at all when I looked at 'em. They just struck me as being Crow and Servo, though now that I read the differences and see comparison photos I can tell. Reserving judgement as always, but my guess is that the models for those two won't be hard for me to adjust to.
Now, Gypsy throws me off a little. I don't know if it's because of the fact that she's hanging from the ceiling (probably) or the slightly different hue of purple (mmmmaybe...) but she might take some getting used to. Having said that, I don't think she looks bad, I'm just kinda surprised. Sorta like how in the new Star Wars when the introduced C-3PO and he was hanging from the ceiling? It'll be like that. Only now it'll make sense because Gypsy's always been snake-like and theoretically had the ability to loop in and around things.
...actually, hang on. That might be a big part of what's throwing me off about her. The tubing itself is, because she's hanging from the ceiling, shaped differently. I can't quite tell the exact shape, but it doesn't have that "arc" that Gypsy's tubing usually has, or if it does it doesn't have it in an orientation I'm expecting. For being a snake-like robot, Gypsy's tube always had a certain static-ness about it (frankly it'd be impractical for it to have been otherwise) so seeing it differently now might be a bigger part of why I'm thrown for a loop.
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Post by BoB3K on Feb 23, 2017 14:42:09 GMT -5
...actually, hang on. That might be a big part of what's throwing me off about her. The tubing itself is, because she's hanging from the ceiling, shaped differently. I can't quite tell the exact shape, but it doesn't have that "arc" that Gypsy's tubing usually has, or if it does it doesn't have it in an orientation I'm expecting. For being a snake-like robot, Gypsy's tube always had a certain static-ness about it (frankly it'd be impractical for it to have been otherwise) so seeing it differently now might be a bigger part of why I'm thrown for a loop. Right. Even though in-world, she was a head on a snaking --um neck? arm? body? -- that traveled through the ship, in reality she was a static puppet that was mostly shaped like a brontosaurs neck and head, and that is how we all 'see' her.
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Post by ca20 on Feb 23, 2017 15:06:20 GMT -5
You can't really see it in the picture, but it's clear when watching the show that even though she's hanging from the ceiling now, Gypsy still has the usual curve to her neck.
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