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Post by BoB3K on Apr 13, 2017 13:43:26 GMT -5
I've only watched 1101, but I've peeked in some of the other threads and people are discussing how each episode is compared to the previous. I just wanted to point out that if you watched the Backer FAQ (which you can now if you want if you have the 085 VHX package), they kind of mention off-hand that not only were all these eps shot together in one stream, the order they're being shown IS NOT even the order they were recorded in. Sooo...any perceived improvements past the 'pilot' ep (which we can't even be sure was shot first), are probably in the mind of the beholder or through the random ups and downs of writing/acting/directing 22 hours of something.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 13, 2017 13:48:21 GMT -5
Oh. So the show isn't actually improving/plateaued/declining, it's just wildly inconsistent.
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 13, 2017 14:13:31 GMT -5
Well, maybe they did improve a little as they went, but we won't be able to tell, it will just come across as inconsistent.
It does also mean that we don't know (well, you guys are finding out as you watch through them faster than me) if the pilot was actually one of the better eps or one of the beginning eps or just somewhere in the middle.
If you start to think about shooting all at once and have followed Hollywood at all the last 20 years, it really means that anything could be true. For example, the monster rap was a pretty intricate orchestrated piece, so it very well could have been taped later in the shooting to give everyone more time to learn it. Same goes for the big intro set-up. That could easily have been shot later in the show as it is much harder to set up the big dance numbers and shots than it would be to shoot a simpler middle season intro.
What it does mean to me is that whatever thoughts we have after watching the first ep or two, we might as well get used to that level of satisfaction because it probably won't change through the rest of the season.
Have I said before that I really wish this could have been made old-school, more slowly, and grow organically including fan feedback? (Yes BoB, you have, multiple times)
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 13, 2017 14:17:17 GMT -5
Have I said before that I really wish this could have been made old-school, more slowly, and grow organically including fan feedback? (Yes BoB, you have, multiple times)Well, as the sycophants on Reddit and the Revival League keep saying, they HAD to make it this way because getting everyone together at once is IMPOSSIBLE because they all have other jobs that they won't quit for this, so we should just get used to it. Besides, this new show is GRADE-A, PERFECT and AWESOME! And if you disagree, you're just too nostalgic!
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 13, 2017 14:24:05 GMT -5
Well, right impossible if you want to get a bunch of A+ (at least in the geekworld) talent together for the blowout AA+ re-imagining!
There would be no other way to do it...besides maybe, I dunno, getting some fresh young talent together--like maybe some up and coming local comedians--in some smaller setup--like say a little town in Minnesota--and...well, I'm sure we all get the sarcastic point.
Oh well, it is what it is. The one ep I watched was at least as good as the other current Riff engines (IMO), although, as I've mentioned in my review posts, their new rapid fire riffing style really isn't that far off from a good ICWXP ep, or for that matter some of the better iRiffs out there like QuipTracks.
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Post by Torgo on Apr 13, 2017 14:25:45 GMT -5
There's a bit of inconsistancy to the idea that these episodes are airing out of order. At the end of each episode Kinga has the Boneheads put a tube into a giant wall that has the film's name on it and each episode we can see what's there. Time Travelers is also self aware of the fact that it's the 200th episode of MST.
I don't know what order they were filmed in, but there's definitely an intended order at play.
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 13, 2017 14:30:07 GMT -5
I don't know what order they were filmed in, but there's definitely an intended order at play. Maybe, but there's no reason to think that the order was changing right up until the end of the editing process. I haven't seen the ep you're talking about, but how hard would it have been to shoot that scene and just edit it into whichever ep was eventually picked as the 200th ep? I know I saw right away that in the liquefied upload of Reptilicus, the Reptilicus movie poster was just CGIed onto the goo tube, which made me wonder if Joel was actually going to do more than one cameo or if they would just reuse the same scene with each no movie poster CGIed on.
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Post by gorncaptain on Apr 13, 2017 14:30:22 GMT -5
I'm reminded of the times the Best Brains gang said in interviews why they resisted moving production to L.A. or New York, as the network suits wanted all those years ago.
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Post by said43 on Apr 13, 2017 14:50:21 GMT -5
It seems clear that they're arranged in the intended order, even if they weren't filmed that way. I'm near the end and there's been an ongoing story arc. As far as quality goes, I haven't noticed a significant variation in quality. It's not like early season 1 compared to early season 3. Some episodes are better than others, but I haven't watched two or three episodes in a row and said to myself "Wow, those were significantly worse than the last ones". It's more like "that one wasn't as good." Or "that one was better". Much like MST3K of old, it's varied in part because of the movie. It's certainly not perfect, and there is a lot I would change. Many of my biggest problems have been mentioned by others (Servo's voice is hard to distinguish from Jonah, unnecessary flying, speed of riffs etc). But I think it has a lot of what made me fall in love with MST3K all those years ago, and I am satisfied with it overall.
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Post by Torgo on Apr 13, 2017 15:00:12 GMT -5
I don't know what order they were filmed in, but there's definitely an intended order at play. Maybe, but there's no reason to think that the order was changing right up until the end of the editing process. I haven't seen the ep you're talking about, but how hard would it have been to shoot that scene and just edit it into whichever ep was eventually picked as the 200th ep? I know I saw right away that in the liquefied upload of Reptilicus, the Reptilicus movie poster was just CGIed onto the goo tube, which made me wonder if Joel was actually going to do more than one cameo or if they would just reuse the same scene with each no movie poster CGIed on. The tubes at the beginning have CGI, but the tubes at the end are practical. The order had to have been finalized by the time Felicia and Patton were filming those scenes because the episode order is present in each of them. Also of note, the episodes are in the same oorder they were when the episode list was leaked. Even if they somehow altered these scenes after the fact, we know for sure this order was finalized since that point.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 13, 2017 15:00:19 GMT -5
It seems clear that they're arranged in the intended order, even if they weren't filmed that way. I'm near the end and there's been an ongoing story arc. As far as quality goes, I haven't noticed a significant variation in quality. It's not like early season 1 compared to early season 3. Some episodes are better than others, but I haven't watched two or three episodes in a row and said to myself "Wow, those were significantly worse than the last ones". It's more like "that one wasn't as good." Or "that one was better". Much like MST3K of old, it's varied in part because of the movie. It's certainly not perfect, and there is a lot I would change. Many of my biggest problems have been mentioned by others (Servo's voice is hard to distinguish from Jonah, unnecessary flying, speed of riffs etc). But I think it has a lot of what made me fall in love with MST3K all those years ago, and I am satisfied with it overall. I'm relatively satisfied as well, and it does have that feeling. But, the fact that I know it could be significantly better and that the things holding it back were done on purpose and can be changed, do diminish my enjoyment.
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Post by opoth on Apr 14, 2017 8:19:08 GMT -5
I agree that the perceived consistency differences boils down to the movie in question - the movie itself is the 4th man in the room. Not all movies are equally riffable, that's how it's always been and always will be, not everything is a Manos or a Space Mutiny.
In terms of how this season was shot, I always figured the low budget for studio time was the main reason for the tight filming schedule. Even if shooting had been spread out a number of weeks, the season would still have been filmed in a void with at least 1/2 to 2/3 of it in the can before it even started airing, becoming subject to external input/criticism.
Personally, things turned out better than I thought they would, and I was cautiously optimistic from the beginning. Let's hope we get a season 12 so that they can improve some of the things that they and we feel didn't work too well the first go around, but I feel we're off to a nice start.
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Post by Torgo on Apr 14, 2017 20:09:27 GMT -5
More evidence on the series having a predetermined order: the Invention Exchange in 1107 makes specific reference to previous invention exchanges and a relation to episodes in general. While I won't spoil the gag for Bob, this entire exchange would not have worked had the episodes been listed out of order.
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 15, 2017 0:22:13 GMT -5
More evidence on the series having a predetermined order: the Invention Exchange in 1107 makes specific reference to previous invention exchanges and a relation to episodes in general. While I won't spoil the gag for Bob, this entire exchange would not have worked had the episodes been listed out of order. I think we can all agree that it was perceived and written in a certain order. That doesn't mean they shot it in that order. There's no reason to think they even shot the different parts in order. For example, Felicia and Patton probably came in and shot all of their host segments in like one or two days. Then, a day or two later (or earlier), Jonah and the bots shoot all their host segments. Meanwhile, they're pre-recording all the riffs. And then some other time, they are recording the pantomimes for the theater segments for the riffs. (That's been mentioned too, in other interviews.) When you know the schedule of this thing, it makes you wonder if the various sets were even up at the same time, like maybe they struck the Mads set, to put up the SOL set. And, don't forget my original post wasn't just speculation, it was based on direct comments from Baron and Joel from the prescreen FAQ.
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Post by sedef122 on Apr 15, 2017 0:32:32 GMT -5
Have I said before that I really wish this could have been made old-school, more slowly, and grow organically including fan feedback? (Yes BoB, you have, multiple times)Well, as the sycophants on Reddit and the Revival League keep saying, they HAD to make it this way because getting everyone together at once is IMPOSSIBLE because they all have other jobs that they won't quit for this, so we should just get used to it. Besides, this new show is GRADE-A, PERFECT and AWESOME! And if you disagree, you're just too nostalgic! Gotcha, everyone who straight up loves the new series are wrong, grow up.
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