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Post by mrmeadows on Apr 15, 2017 15:56:21 GMT -5
Okay, so Netflix announces they will indeed pick up a twelfth season, and they come to YOU and ask you what the ONE THING is you would change about this current season. Whatever it is--longer host segments, no editing of the movies, new voice for Servo, you name it--they will honor it. But you only get to choose ONE THING. What would it be?
For me, I think I would change the process of recording the riffs ahead of the theater segments and just record their riffs in-theater as the movie plays, like the original did. Sure, they can still ADR here and there when someone flubs a line (the original did that too) but I think this change would make a huge difference in the quality of not just the naturalness of the riffing, but also the camaraderie between the riffers. It also opens the door for more organic reactions and semi-improvised sounds (gasps, chuckles, etc.) during the proceedings. Right now, as funny as it is, it still has an overly-scripted feel that was totally absent in the original series. Also, if you watch the silhouettes Jonah's reactions are often a beat behind where they should be. It feels off. Fix that, and I think they just might have this thing nailed.
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Apr 15, 2017 16:11:01 GMT -5
Is this for real, or just a hypothetical question? But, yeah I agree with you.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 15, 2017 16:28:56 GMT -5
Make them stick to the 9 day process the old show used to make episodes (as described in the ACEG). It would mean everyone would have to drop everything and focus on the show for awhile, but the resultant show would be amazing.
Day 1: Writers watch the movie all day and throw out comments, which are written down. Day 2: Writers write host segmets Day 3: Another run through the movie Day 4: Music composed, props/sets built and a smaller group of writers looks at the film again to edit jokes and assign them to characters, then time coding them. Day 5: Props finished, host segment rewrites handed in and full read-through with cast. Day 6: Full dress rehearsal. Day 7: Host segment shoot. Day 8: Movie segment shoot. Day 9: Review. One last time through the movie, editing jokes, adding new ones, removing bad ones.
Strenuous? Yes. Long? Yes.
Did it work? You bet your ass.
This has GOT to be a full-time (or close to full-time) gig for everyone involved. Its the only way to get it completely right.
But regardless of my wishes, when/if Netflix orders Season 12, they NEED to make it over the course of MONTHS, not WEEKS. And if some of the new cast can't fit that into their schedules, they need to look into new cast.
The production seams really showed this season from the limited production time and this can't be viewed as a "2 weeks a year gig" by those involved. It needs to be a job. A fun job, but a job. And if Netflix can pay good enough money, everyone needs to commit to this full-time.
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Post by mrmeadows on Apr 15, 2017 16:32:03 GMT -5
Is this for real, or just a hypothetical question? But, yeah I agree with you. Sorry...hypothetical! (Didn't mean to get anyone's hopes up!)
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Post by thebutcher on Apr 15, 2017 16:37:34 GMT -5
I would echo mrmeadows's comments. Most of the things I dislike about the relaunch are nitpicks, but since the riffing is the meat of the show, I would like to see them record the theater segments the old-fashioned way: together, with the actual performers working the puppets in real-time and slower pacing of the jokes.
Fix that and MST3k would be as just good as before!
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Post by angilasman on Apr 15, 2017 16:45:59 GMT -5
Yeah, like the new show a lot, but the naturalism of riffing 'live' (so to speak) really ads something to the mixture. I understand that might make the show take longer to film, but I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept the same production time they had for Season 11 and only did, like, 8 to 10 episodes or something.
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Post by mrmeadows on Apr 15, 2017 16:50:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm fine if they take their sweet time with Season 12. We have 14 brand-spanking new episodes to enjoy the hell out of in the meantime!
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Post by Torgo on Apr 15, 2017 16:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Udvarnoky on Apr 15, 2017 17:02:54 GMT -5
I keep reading people speculate that the theater segments were shot in a different way for time constraints, but that doesn't tally because they're recording the commentary essentially twice now. I think this is all about the more sophisticated puppetry Joel wanted to do.
Still getting through the season myself, but my Season 12 request right now is a more dynamic SOL bridge. The camera moved more during the host segments for Season 1.
All of the issues that I had feel like they're going to be resolved on their own, as an organic result of them continuing to get experience with this. For having to restart this mechanism completely, they did a pretty impressive job.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 15, 2017 17:09:43 GMT -5
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Post by Udvarnoky on Apr 15, 2017 18:49:29 GMT -5
I meant speculation about the Why.
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Post by foreign object on Apr 15, 2017 21:34:52 GMT -5
Make them stick to the 9 day process the old show used to make episodes (as described in the ACEG). It would mean everyone would have to drop everything and focus on the show for awhile, but the resultant show would be amazing. Day 1: Writers watch the movie all day and throw out comments, which are written down. Day 2: Writers write host segmets Day 3: Another run through the movie Day 4: Music composed, props/sets built and a smaller group of writers looks at the film again to edit jokes and assign them to characters, then time coding them. Day 5: Props finished, host segment rewrites handed in and full read-through with cast. Day 6: Full dress rehearsal. Day 7: Host segment shoot. Day 8: Movie segment shoot. Day 9: Review. One last time through the movie, editing jokes, adding new ones, removing bad ones. Strenuous? Yes. Long? Yes. Did it work? You bet your ass. This has GOT to be a full-time (or close to full-time) gig for everyone involved. Its the only way to get it completely right. But regardless of my wishes, when/if Netflix orders Season 12, they NEED to make it over the course of MONTHS, not WEEKS. And if some of the new cast can't fit that into their schedules, they need to look into new cast. The production seams really showed this season from the limited production time and this can't be viewed as a "2 weeks a year gig" by those involved. It needs to be a job. A fun job, but a job. And if Netflix can pay good enough money, everyone needs to commit to this full-time. Well said. Good post. I've seen 6 episodes so far and there are definitely some niggles that border on annoyances but I'll hold my tongue until I see all 14.
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Post by wedestroymyths on Apr 16, 2017 0:45:56 GMT -5
Make them stick to the 9 day process the old show used to make episodes (as described in the ACEG). It would mean everyone would have to drop everything and focus on the show for awhile, but the resultant show would be amazing. Day 1: Writers watch the movie all day and throw out comments, which are written down. Day 2: Writers write host segmets Day 3: Another run through the movie Day 4: Music composed, props/sets built and a smaller group of writers looks at the film again to edit jokes and assign them to characters, then time coding them. Day 5: Props finished, host segment rewrites handed in and full read-through with cast. Day 6: Full dress rehearsal. Day 7: Host segment shoot. Day 8: Movie segment shoot. Day 9: Review. One last time through the movie, editing jokes, adding new ones, removing bad ones. Strenuous? Yes. Long? Yes. Did it work? You bet your ass. This has GOT to be a full-time (or close to full-time) gig for everyone involved. Its the only way to get it completely right. But regardless of my wishes, when/if Netflix orders Season 12, they NEED to make it over the course of MONTHS, not WEEKS. And if some of the new cast can't fit that into their schedules, they need to look into new cast. The production seams really showed this season from the limited production time and this can't be viewed as a "2 weeks a year gig" by those involved. It needs to be a job. A fun job, but a job. And if Netflix can pay good enough money, everyone needs to commit to this full-time. It certainly worked before...but I think this is an unreasonable ask. It's never going to happen and it's never going to be exactly how it used to be.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 16, 2017 6:32:42 GMT -5
Make them stick to the 9 day process the old show used to make episodes (as described in the ACEG). It would mean everyone would have to drop everything and focus on the show for awhile, but the resultant show would be amazing. Day 1: Writers watch the movie all day and throw out comments, which are written down. Day 2: Writers write host segmets Day 3: Another run through the movie Day 4: Music composed, props/sets built and a smaller group of writers looks at the film again to edit jokes and assign them to characters, then time coding them. Day 5: Props finished, host segment rewrites handed in and full read-through with cast. Day 6: Full dress rehearsal. Day 7: Host segment shoot. Day 8: Movie segment shoot. Day 9: Review. One last time through the movie, editing jokes, adding new ones, removing bad ones. Strenuous? Yes. Long? Yes. Did it work? You bet your ass. This has GOT to be a full-time (or close to full-time) gig for everyone involved. Its the only way to get it completely right. But regardless of my wishes, when/if Netflix orders Season 12, they NEED to make it over the course of MONTHS, not WEEKS. And if some of the new cast can't fit that into their schedules, they need to look into new cast. The production seams really showed this season from the limited production time and this can't be viewed as a "2 weeks a year gig" by those involved. It needs to be a job. A fun job, but a job. And if Netflix can pay good enough money, everyone needs to commit to this full-time. It certainly worked before...but I think this is an unreasonable ask. It's never going to happen and it's never going to be exactly how it used to be. Why is it unreasonable to ask that they produce their new show like a REAL TV show? Other Netflix shows do. What's different? Why does this HAVE to be some cobbled together, two-weeks-a-year side project?
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Post by travis on Apr 16, 2017 18:44:41 GMT -5
I've had no problem with the pace of the riffing, but having the actor's all record the theater segments together in real time would benefit the show and really solidify that old-school MST feel. I keep reading people speculate that the theater segments were shot in a different way for time constraints, but that doesn't tally because they're recording the commentary essentially twice now. I think this is all about the more sophisticated puppetry Joel wanted to do. Still getting through the season myself, but my Season 12 request right now is a more dynamic SOL bridge. The camera moved more during the host segments for Season 1. All of the issues that I had feel like they're going to be resolved on their own, as an organic result of them continuing to get experience with this. For having to restart this mechanism completely, they did a pretty impressive job. Totally agree with you! I really feel, assuming we get a follow-up season, the next batch of episodes will iron-out most of the imperfections. Just think about the progression from Season 1 to Season 2, and then Season 2 to Season 3.
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