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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 24, 2021 19:05:53 GMT -5
What Jim released from the episode was a small portion of (what looks to be) the first theater segment, the first host segment and I imagine the fourth host segment (since it references the previous one of Crow and Servo trying to simulate the feeling of drugs with clothes pins on their noses), and I do imagine the thanksgiving segment came in between the opening and Crow and Servo with the clothes pins.
If that is officially true that Joel doesn’t have a copy, then that’s a shame. Frankly the woman who claimed about that NDA didn’t come off as fully honest to me, but with that in mind, my assumption right now is Jim has a copy (physical or digital) but is holding onto it, the tape could have been misplaced or it could have been destroyed. Who knows what the deal is.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Apr 24, 2021 20:13:19 GMT -5
What's the NDA story?
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Post by ds_36 on Apr 24, 2021 20:22:57 GMT -5
Given the state of the masters of some of the later episodes, it seems possible that the master was already partially damaged, and that they just hadn't noticed it until 2008 when he was digitizing it. I don't get the impression anybody over there would be watching the KTMA episodes all that regularly. Apparently even under optimal conditions these tapes are known for going bad. That makes it really surprising that K01 and K02 were in such great condition (K00 as well). Given that Shout Factory backed out of releasing a KTMA bonus disc due to quality issues I wonder just how bad KTMA's storage facilities were. I'd love for someone to just straightforwardly answer the question of which KTMA episodes are accounted for (even if it's a situation that someone other than Shout Factory is holding them) and are they in viewable condition.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Apr 24, 2021 20:42:44 GMT -5
I think the issue is that this information is more valuable to them in a quantum state. If it's "They're viewable and we have them, but there are reasons for why we don't want to show them", then fans won't care, they'll just want to see them. If it's "The original copies are destroyed, all we have is grainy footage that we don't think we'll ever be able to remaster our way into showing", then fans will mourn, and it'll be seen as something no longer on the table.
As a quantum relic, fandom interest is maintained, and whatever the truth is, we're waiting to hear more. I don't really blame them for going this route (especially since fans take pretty much any shred of evidence as a promise for future content) but yeah, I'd like to know for sure.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 24, 2021 20:48:42 GMT -5
I started a thread on the MST Facebook fan page about how cool it would be to have K03 as a reward if possible. A woman claimed the episode was gone forever, I responded back saying we never really got a full confirmation, and then she responded saying she knows it’s gone. I asked if she had a source for this and then brought up the NDA thing which made me raise an eyebrow.
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Post by jadenh on Apr 24, 2021 21:01:00 GMT -5
I guess it does make sense that the tape could have been destroyed or damaged somehow. I'm not sure how that works, but I'm willing to believe that you know more about that than I do. It does seem like in a way, Shout is waiting for a fan recording of it to surface. Especially since it's been confirmed that Joel doesn't have it, and it's not likely that Mallon has it or it was misplaced. I hate to become pessimisstic, but it really does seem like this one is lost for good. I'd like to believe that someone recorded it back then. All of the KTMAs should have had at least one fan recording. But how likely is it that after thirty years, a tape of it will just randomly show up? And what if that got damaged too? I think I just have to accept that we'll never have a complete series on our hands.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 24, 2021 21:10:14 GMT -5
The problem with the lack of fan tapings of K03, and K01 and K02 before it, stem from the fact that the show was so new, and all 3 episodes aired very close together, and only once.
K01 and K02 both aired on Thanksgiving 1988, and only then. K03 that Saturday, 2 days later, never again. The show was simply too new and under the radar for anyone to think to tape it. VHS was expensive back then, who's going to tape what's ostensibly a random crappy movie on the lowest rated UHF station in town?
Same thing for K04, the only reason anyone has a copy is because of a re-run that aired a few months later in early 1989, same for some of the early episodes like K07. No one started taping the show in earnest until probably late December. Unless someone involved in production made a copy back when it aired, the odds of a fan copy still out in the wild 30+ years later are very, very low.
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Post by ds_36 on Apr 24, 2021 21:16:32 GMT -5
To save it for posterity here's a second post from Ivan confirming that they don't have it a little more clearly.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 24, 2021 21:45:48 GMT -5
Well, that’s a real shame hearing this. At this point, I’m going to assume the tape is lost for good unless Mallon still owns a physical copy of it. *sigh*
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 24, 2021 22:07:19 GMT -5
The fact that Jim managed to get as far as Joel showing what drugs are like to Gypsy at least tells me he got far with capturing the episode whether it actually survived that digital capture or not. If the digital copy still exists (which who knows) is another story. But meanwhile, I am NOT convinced this was the final host segment of the episode: youtu.be/G0tgnQb54FM
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 24, 2021 22:18:36 GMT -5
The only chance I see is that the tape is damaged and some day someone will figure out how to get a copy out like reading 2000 year old scrolls.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 24, 2021 22:46:06 GMT -5
Oh hey, I just noticed in the documentary the theory of Gypsy being in the theatre.
I have wondered that myself to be honest, with the fact that she was in the theatre in the KTMA opening when the shots were clearly done during the production of this episode, and the fact that Joel is explaining to her about the dubbing process in America with Japanese shows and movies, hinting at that she may have been watching the movie with the guys. If that is true, then that’d be a bigger shame to see this one permanently lost. Sure, she was in the theatre in the pilot, but it was only for a mere few seconds.
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Post by ds_36 on Apr 25, 2021 5:00:48 GMT -5
The one other possibility I wonder about is did he possibly only capture brief clips of the episodes and not the whole episode for some reason? That's definitely a worse approach if you're concerned about destroying the original. But technology and computers were different enough in 2008 that capturing the entire episode, especially if he was doing it by himself, may have seemed like a bigger ordeal than necessary. Also that Thanksgiving host segment, which seems to be the end segment from this episode because it doesn't end with movie sign, was from the Scrapbook tape which was released in 1994. So we know the tape was played at least once between airing and 2008 giving them the opportunity to do some sort of backup.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 25, 2021 6:56:27 GMT -5
The one other possibility I wonder about is did he possibly only capture brief clips of the episodes and not the whole episode for some reason? That's definitely a worse approach if you're concerned about destroying the original. But technology and computers were different enough in 2008 that capturing the entire episode, especially if he was doing it by himself, may have seemed like a bigger ordeal than necessary. Also that Thanksgiving host segment, which seems to be the end segment from this episode because it doesn't end with movie sign, was from the Scrapbook tape which was released in 1994. So we know the tape was played at least once between airing and 2008 giving them the opportunity to do some sort of backup. I have wondered myself if he just captured specific spots of the episodes when releasing the clips on the website (which, knowing how cheap he can be, wouldn’t surprise me at all). Also, while the thanksgiving segment didn’t end with movie sign, I’m not convinced it was the last segment because it could have easily just been a segment going into commercial sign.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Apr 25, 2021 17:06:28 GMT -5
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