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Post by comedyc on May 3, 2021 0:27:49 GMT -5
From the quality of K01 and K02, I would think they came off a 3/4" tape, at the least. It doesn't have that dull quality that even the best VHS has.
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Post by jocksinclair on May 3, 2021 9:52:31 GMT -5
I don't think we should get caught up in that sidebar, because looking back at the Kickstarter when they were released, Joel explicitly talks about finding those two episodes in a box that just got sent over. So whatever the sources are, they were already separated from the rest of the KTMA pack, and that alone would account for any perceived discrepancy in those tapes versus the rest of the season.
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 3, 2021 10:03:10 GMT -5
From the quality of K01 and K02, I would think they came off a 3/4" tape, at the least. It doesn't have that dull quality that even the best VHS has. Agree. They probably came straight off the U-Matics. |
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Post by ds_36 on May 3, 2021 10:18:27 GMT -5
I don't think we should get caught up in that sidebar, because looking back at the Kickstarter when they were released, Joel explicitly talks about finding those two episodes in a box that just got sent over. This is pretty much how every released bit of KTMA has been described as being found at least after the 1994 scrapbook tape. Who knows how much truth there is to these mystery boxes that contain the KTMAs. |
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Post by jocksinclair on May 3, 2021 10:27:47 GMT -5
This is pretty much how every released bit of KTMA has been described as being found at least after the 1994 scrapbook tape. Who knows how much truth there is to these mystery boxes that contain the KTMAs. It seems like you're saying that they have consistently said for over 25 years that the KTMA tapes were not stored or preserved in any uniform standard way, so I guess my question is, why do you find that hard to believe? |
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Post by ds_36 on May 3, 2021 10:45:08 GMT -5
I just find it a bit hard to believe that everything is somehow in such disarray despite everything that ever has been released being in pristine condition. I mean I don't think things were stored in great conditions but all this exploring to find anything over several years seems over the top.
I think they know what they have and just don't want to make it public for their reasons.
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Post by comedyc on May 3, 2021 12:32:15 GMT -5
I've often thought that K03 might be full of cringy material, and that's why it stays "missing"
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 3, 2021 12:35:48 GMT -5
Can't be any cringier than what they did with the other Gamera/Sandy Frank KTMA movies that are presently extant as fan copies.
Which are honestly only slightly more offensive in regards to the Japanese stuff at some of the early season 3 episodes are, and mostly run the gamut of "haha funny Japanese names".
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 3, 2021 12:43:42 GMT -5
That isn't to say there isn't anything in the ktma episodes that wouldn't fly today/any worse then what's in the cable series.
I was watching SST Death Flight and caught a joke from Servo that's subtle but if you get it could be pretty offensive today.
It's a scene where the blonde character played by Misty Rowe sits down next to the doctor character played by Brock Peters (Sisko's dad on Deep Space 9).
Servo's line: They must be seating alphabetically.
Which, if you get it, oof.
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Post by Megalon on May 3, 2021 14:13:13 GMT -5
That isn't to say there isn't anything in the ktma episodes that wouldn't fly today/any worse then what's in the cable series. I was watching SST Death Flight and caught a joke from Servo that's subtle but if you get it could be pretty offensive today. It's a scene where the blonde character played by Misty Rowe sits down next to the doctor character played by Brock Peters (Sisko's dad on Deep Space 9). Servo's line: They must be seating alphabetically. Which, if you get it, oof. I don't get it. It seems vague enough to have multiple interpretations. |
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Post by GarrettCRW on May 4, 2021 7:04:29 GMT -5
I just find it a bit hard to believe that everything is somehow in such disarray despite everything that ever has been released being in pristine condition. I mean I don't think things were stored in great conditions but all this exploring to find anything over several years seems over the top. I think they know what they have and just don't want to make it public for their reasons. The overwhelming majority of the Sunbow broadcast masters for their cartoons (both Hasbro-related and not) are in really nice shape all things considered, but when Rhino got the home video rights in the late '90s, everything was an utter mess following a couple of changes in ownership. I'm sure that a lot of studios have suffered from similar circumstances over the years (SEE: the BBC). |
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Post by jadenh on Oct 10, 2021 22:50:47 GMT -5
Now this is really, really big stretch. But apparently on the official MST3K forum, someone there said that they have watched K03. They said that they found a copy online, and the quality was somehow even worse than the other KTMA episodes. They said it wasn't K12, since they were keeping track of the episodes they watched and they didn't rewatch K12. So there's a very very very good chance that this person is lying. However, I still have just the littlest smidge of hope that this person is honest and a copy of K03 actually DID exist online at one point. It probably didn't, but maybe this person is telling the truth.
They're probably not though.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Oct 11, 2021 10:05:08 GMT -5
Doubt. If it were available online in any form (besides what Mallon uploaded) everyone here would've already been on it like white on rice.
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Post by jadenh on Oct 11, 2021 10:14:38 GMT -5
I doubt it too honestly. I mean, there's a slim chance it could have slipped through the cracks, but that chance is very very slim. Still, I'm probably gonna ask him more about it when I get home. I'll try and get every detail I can out of this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 14:55:12 GMT -5
Good luck, but I'm sure this is either a case of mistaken identity (i.e. a different episode) or a flat-out fabrication.
It doesn't really make sense for the quality to be worse than the surviving fan copies of K04-K21. Those usually look so bad because the digitized versions are from multi-generational VHS. Each subsequent copy of a VHS to another tape results in lost audio/video quality, and it gets significantly worse with each subsequent generation. Since this episode has never been in fan circulation, it makes little to no sense that it would look worse, unless the only surviving copy had been duped over and over by a single individual or a very private group (which itself doesn't make sense, as an uncirculated episode would have been immensely valuable for tape traders and --later-- tape sellers).
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