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Post by Megalon on Dec 4, 2020 23:32:14 GMT -5
Regarding Joel reassembling this cast and getting the show back on track...
I'd say the expiration date is fast approaching on that one, if it hasn't already come and gone. We just passed the 2-year mark for Season 12's premiere (Nov. 22, 2018), which seems like a pretty significant landmark. In any case, if we don't hear anything in the next few months, then I'd say it's time to consign MST3k: The Reboot to the history books. It's dead, Jim.
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Post by edgecase41 on Dec 5, 2020 7:07:32 GMT -5
Regarding Joel reassembling this cast and getting the show back on track... I'd say the expiration date is fast approaching on that one, if it hasn't already come and gone. We just passed the 2-year mark for Season 12's premiere (Nov. 22, 2018), which seems like a pretty significant landmark. In any case, if we don't hear anything in the next few months, then I'd say it's time to consign MST3k: The Reboot to the history books. It's dead, Jim. Yeah, that's what I figured. Dead in the water, I guess. It's a shame, too, because every year that goes by where these guys aren't making shows together is such a loss. They should be cranking out shows in the studio all year every year.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Dec 5, 2020 11:19:14 GMT -5
There's no reason that they can't go back to their roots and come out with a cheaper reboot v3. Joel spent way too much money on useless stuff and not enough on the writing and basic production. They need to have a core of writers and performers in one place like they had before. Much of the writing can be done virtually but when its time for them to actually make the show, the performers have to have time together in the same place to develop chemistry and timing by practicing in the same room together. No more, "Let's get together on the long weekend and film 3 new episodes as quickly as possible."
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Post by Megalon on Dec 5, 2020 12:04:25 GMT -5
Yes, I think if we see MST3k return to the airwaves, it'll be as a new iteration, with a new cast, new writers, maybe even new sets (How long can they afford to keep the Reboot sets around?). In the end, that might be for the best, but I'd rather have gotten 4-5 full seasons on Netflix.
By the way, I still think Netflix is the villain in this story. The exclusivity clause (if it exists), combined with Netflix's stupid "cancel everything after 2 seasons" approach, is what did the show in.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Dec 5, 2020 12:21:10 GMT -5
Yes, I think if we see MST3k return to the airwaves, it'll be as a new iteration, with a new cast, new writers, maybe even new sets (How long can they afford to keep the Reboot sets around?). In the end, that might be for the best, but I'd rather have gotten 4-5 full seasons on Netflix. By the way, I still think Netflix is the villain in this story. The exclusivity clause (if it exists), combined with Netflix's stupid "cancel everything after 2 seasons" approach, is what did the show in. Netflix is catering to their audience. It's the "New stuff, I want new stuff all the time" crowd. Shows get two seasons to prove themselves. (Which is an improvement over the fox networks habit of giving a show 4 or 5 episodes.) If they don't show great ratings, they are gone. Niche shows like MST3k only get two seasons. It's how the system works. They won't thrive in that type environment. They'd be better off with a cheaper show on a lower tier network who doesn't have to have huge ratings to consider the show a success. Channels looking for a few big hits surrounded by a bunch of moderately successful niche shows with known audiences which aren't that big but are loyal.
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Post by BoB3K on Dec 9, 2020 14:08:12 GMT -5
By the way, I still think Netflix is the villain in this story. The exclusivity clause (if it exists), combined with Netflix's stupid "cancel everything after 2 seasons" approach, is what did the show in. I agree, but only after it's pointed out that Netflix should NEVER have been in a position to be the bad guy. In the end it's Joel's (and maybe Shout's?) for signing that kind of deal with Netflix and not just have a produced season of a show made with the $5 MILLION bucks they got from kickstarter, and shopping it around to publishers/streamers for a profit with no strings attached.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Dec 9, 2020 22:22:16 GMT -5
I'd love to know if Joel signed with Netflix because he thought it was the best option or because it was the ONLY option.
All we know for sure is that Joel needed the Netflix licensing money to stay out of debt for Season 11, because Joel said he did. He announced the Netflix deal at SDCC 2016, meaning it had to be finalized sometime in July 2016. Shooting started in September 2016...would he have even been able to go into actual production without the Netflix money?
There are a lot of questions to be asked about exactly what 4 million dollars or so - the Kickstarter proceeds minus reward fulfillment costs and fees - was spent on before filming started. If Joel intends to crowdfund a future MST3K project or projects, as he indicated he did this past summer, at least some of those questions should be answered by Joel before the fandom entrusts him with their money again.
PS: In fairness, the Netflix of 2016 wasn't the same as the Netflix of 2019.
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Post by BoB3K on Dec 10, 2020 12:34:36 GMT -5
I'd love to know if Joel signed with Netflix because he thought it was the best option or because it was the ONLY option. All we know for sure is that Joel needed the Netflix licensing money to stay out of debt for Season 11, because Joel said he did. ... There are a lot of questions to be asked ... should be answered by Joel before the fandom entrusts him with their money again. My guess is that it is a little of both. He needed money and they had it. But also, if you think about how this reboot was run with Joel tossing KS money around like Rip Taylor, and his delusions of a Hollywood blockbuster MST3K, it kind of fits that he saw Netflix as the vehicle to launch his grand new version to all the world! (insert Mwa ha ha's as necessary) PS: In fairness, the Netflix of 2016 wasn't the same as the Netflix of 2019. That is a very good point. In all fairness, netflix 2016 was king of the world and I'm not sure had cancelled a single original show yet.
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