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Post by continosbuckle on Mar 26, 2020 2:27:15 GMT -5
One thing I haven't heard that much about is that Covid - 19 can cause permanent lung damage. Some of the people who get sick enough to go into the hospital go in with the lungs of a 40 year old and come out with the lungs of an 80 year old 3 pack a day smoker. I really hope that one day my lungs won't be aching for air.  Here's where I got that information from: www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-patients-have-partially-reduced-lung-function/a-52859671The key line: The findings from Hong Kong confirm very early investigations from Wuhan in early February 2020. In a recent study, scientists from Zhongnam Hospital of Wuhan University analyzed 140 lung scans of COVID-19 patients and found a ground glass opacity in both lungs of each patient. |
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Mar 26, 2020 12:29:38 GMT -5
Things are still pretty calm here in Indiana, but as of today restaurants and bars have been ordered to go into a "deliveries only" mode. Which is dumb. I was hoping to get food from my local Chinese place tonight without paying extra for delivery.  Places near me have roadside pickup. Call in your order. Pay by credit card. They give you a number and a time. Call when you show up and they bring your order out to the curb. Get out of the car and pick up the order. No delivery charge. No close contact. Gotta say, I kinda love that this description sounds like a blind drop happening in a spy movie. |
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Post by crowschmo on Mar 28, 2020 23:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by crowschmo on Mar 31, 2020 14:34:24 GMT -5
They closed the walkway by the beach in my town because people can't seem to self-regulate and not walk in large bunches or keep a good distance from themselves, ruining it for everyone else. People complain that they don't wan't to be "told what to do" or to have their decisions made for them, but, hey - how about acting like a responsible, thinking adult and not like a whiny, spoiled, selfish, brainless child? Maybe that'll get ya somewhere in life.
Talk about selfish and inconsiderate (and lazy): The parking lots of stores that are still open are littered with gloves and masks. Holy sh*t people! When you're done shopping and placed your purchases in your cars, go back to the damn store entrance and throw those things away in the garbage! Pigs.
On a very sad and scary note: A friend of my mother was in the hospital for cancer treatment and was exposed to the virus via a nurse. She already had just had part of a lung removed (she's been a smoker for most of her life). Now she's in quarantine at home and they are waiting to see her response to this. If she gets a full-blown reaction, she's not going to be in very good shape. We'll see what happens.
Speaking of: I feel so bad for all the doctors and nurses and techs being exposed to this constantly. They have to be afraid of if they get it, and if they spread it to other patients, or to their own families at home if they are not already isolating themselves from them. If people in the medical profession start having to be patients themselves, or start dying, that's another blow to what's already going on (not to mention the lives of those people themselves).
This thing is going to test us as a society (and species). Things may never go quite back to the same again. Never thought I'd see in my lifetime something on this scale.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Mar 31, 2020 16:39:14 GMT -5
I wonder if this is the sort of thing that you are immune to once you catch it and survive? If we could test to see which people are now immune, maybe we could restart the economy to some extent.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 1, 2020 13:27:31 GMT -5
Update
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Apr 3, 2020 15:44:14 GMT -5
I wonder if this is the sort of thing that you are immune to once you catch it and survive? If we could test to see which people are now immune, maybe we could restart the economy to some extent. I have heard from a secondhand source... a usually reliable one, but secondhand regardless, so it may just be heresay... that people *can* come down with it again after they've recovered. Tragically, there doesn't seem to be a simple chicken-pox-style immunity that we can get, at least not at the moment. |
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 3, 2020 19:11:08 GMT -5
Trying to be more positive, here. I like how creative people are getting in trying to deal with this sh*t storm. All the videos people are making for YouTube and such to help and cheer others up and be positive, and people saying how they are home schooling their kids and getting some reno done and getting organized and such.
And seeing how the air quality is getting better and the water getting cleaner and nature getting a reprieve.
But I also remember the oil crisis in the '70's and how once everything got back to "normal", we went right back to staying dependent on oil and gas and fossil fuels and (better gas mileage in designing for cars aside) we just went back to our old ways of mass consumerism and didn't change overmuch our ways of doing things. That was 50 YEARS ago. Think how ahead of the game we'd be if we'd found more efficient and cleaner alternatives back then.
And the environmental nightmares we had with DDT and rivers catching fire with so much garbage, how with the EPA we were able to clean up (somewhat), and rivers got cleaner and being able to support wildlife again and fish came back to where they were once dying off. Then when things started looking brighter again, we got govt. "leaders" claiming we no longer needed the EPA (??!), 'cause, hey! everything's peachy now. Couldn't possibly get DIRTY again, could it? Big corporations will self regulate, right? Even though there was illegal dumping with regulations and laws in place - they wouldn't possibly get WORSE with --- NO regulations, right? Again, think how much farther along we'd be if we'd kept on looking for better ways of doing things.
When WWII was going on (edit: or was that WWI?) people rationed and had their victory gardens, and collected metals for the war effort and scraps of food to feed pigs and whatnot and did their part, banding together. Now, today, when this is going on, anyone who "does what they're told" by the media or govt., they're just referred to as "sheep."
So, I WANT to be positive and think with all this crap going on we will rally together (noting what I mentioned earlier with the way people are dealing with their quarantines and such), but I'm also skeptical and thinking once life goes back to as "normal" as it can get after this, that we won't have learned a thing and just go back to being our human selves and get lazy and selfish and wasteful again. (I'm not doing enough, either).
But, hey - with everyone looking out at the world through their windows and through their screens, seeing the videos of others trying to be upbeat and helpful, seeing nature like it hasn't been seen in a while, seeing the suffering of some of their fellow humans and maybe not taking things for granted:
Maybe: People will start taking an interest in their kids' schooling and teach them more about how to be grateful and respectful. People will talk to each other more. People will organize their homes and get their priorities in order. People will come up with creative ways to live within their means. People will learn new things. They'll learn to pass their time in more productive ways. Learn a language. Learn to play an instrument. Maybe a new Renaissance is in the works. A new way of being human and doing things may be on the horizon.
So, folks - Build some robots. Paint those masterpieces. Write those novels. Solve the world's problems. How 'bout it, kids?
* sigh * I'm guessing we're just going to go back to "wealth is king" and things are more important than human lives. Unfortunately, we DO need money to live in the world as it is now, and it's hard for people to accomplish anything if they don't have a fair amount. Most people just need to scrape by to EXIST, let alone figure out how to change society.
I wish I was one of those who knew how to set things in motion.
This all sounds kind of stupid, and I'm not wording it great.
I guess all I can do is start with myself. (Getting really introspective here, aren't I?). I don't know what new thing to learn but maybe I'll give it a go.
(Yeah, this WHOLE POST sounds stupid, but this situation is putting me in a weird mood).
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 3, 2020 20:48:10 GMT -5
One of the key things to help is to get out and vote. Don't vote for people who believe that environmentalism is a dirty word or that being prepared for things like plagues and natural disasters is wrong. Vote for people who look ahead. There are people of all political beliefs who are forward thinking. It's just seems like the ones who actually have a clue have no chance to get elected.
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Post by sol-survivor on Apr 3, 2020 22:38:52 GMT -5
Went to my regular grocery store today for the first time in over a week. It's an enormous store that had a whole lot of empty on the shelves after the panic hoarding first started and before they started limiting some quantities. I haven't been hoarding anything (OK, maybe butter), and it's just my elderly Dad and me living here. The shelves are more stocked than they were last week, although I have been unable to find any yeast for a baking project I've been planning to do. People must have brought out the bread machines they haven't used for years. I was even able to get one bottle of hand sanitizer (And the crowd goes wild, Yay!), which is the current limit per family per day. People were at least behaving, unlike some stories I've heard about in other places. I did see more people wearing masks than they do on The Masked Singer.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 3, 2020 22:51:19 GMT -5
I do find it strange seeing all sorts of people walking around with masks on. I went to the bank today to get some change so I could wash clothes. There were several people in the bank wearing masks. Could you picture that a couple of months ago?
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 6, 2020 17:08:47 GMT -5
British PM Boris Johnson has taken a turn for the worse.
A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the virus and other tigers and lions are sick. So, with all the worrying we have to do for people, now we have to worry about zoo animals and farm animals and pets. Not that we weren't anyway, since it's believed to have started by going from animals to humans, but now it's just going to be this vicious cycle, and where will it all end? It could just keep going back and forth. Hope they come up with a good vaccine that works on a large group of people.
Oy, this thing.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 6, 2020 21:38:19 GMT -5
British PM Boris Johnson has taken a turn for the worse. A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the virus and other tigers and lions are sick. So, with all the worrying we have to do for people, now we have to worry about zoo animals and farm animals and pets. Not that we weren't anyway, since it's believed to have started by going from animals to humans, but now it's just going to be this vicious cycle, and where will it all end? It could just keep going back and forth. Hope they come up with a good vaccine that works on a large group of people. Oy, this thing. Assuming that Boris recovers, I wonder if any reporter will have the nerve to ask him if he's changed his mind on the severity of the virus. |
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 7, 2020 12:08:23 GMT -5
Assuming that Boris recovers, I wonder if any reporter will have the nerve to ask him if he's changed his mind on the severity of the virus. [/quote] This is sure some elaborate hoax. This is just as complex and all encompassing as the moon landing. |
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 7, 2020 12:19:38 GMT -5
One troubling thing that crossed my mind. Most of the time if someone catches a virus and recovers they are immune to that particular virus from now on. If someone can prove they are immune to the virus they can't be carriers so there is no reason they can't go back to work. My disturbing scenario:
1) Doctors prove that once a person recovers from the virus they can't get it again and they can't be a carrier.
2) They develop a test to prove someone has the antibodies in their system.
3) Governments give people documentation that they are not a carrier and allow them to go back to work.
If the only way people can go back to work is if they catch the virus, there will be a lot of people out there trying to catch the virus so they can go back to work.
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