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Post by Diet Kolos on Jul 21, 2020 11:12:18 GMT -5
I'm mostly just still wondering about the actual meat and potatoes of the process of contesting a copyright block. I understand the bells and whistles of fair use and the ideals of yet, I just don't know how to go about actually doing it. You can tell me I can all I want, but until somebody actually tells me which buttons to push on YouTube and what to say, this is all pie in the sky what-ifs and maybes.
I asked how you physically operate a car and you tell me that we have the right to travel on in the interstate at any speed we want and how the cops don't have the right to stop me. That's great, but...how do I get the car out of park? What do I tell the cop once he pulls me over?
Like, I've SEEN 113-The Black Scorpion on YouTube, I BELIEVE it can be done, I want to know HOW, not WHY.
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Post by discomoonmusic on Jul 21, 2020 11:27:30 GMT -5
Your examples, frankly, don't cut it. You've only proven that people upload copyrighted works without permission to YouTube... so? That doesn't prove that they're being covered by fair use (you have yet to demonstrate that)
I've already demonstrated that. Your archaic copyright jargon that predates the internet is what doesn't cut it. My friend Rory had the video blocked and then disputed the block with the fair use accord. They put it back up. Same with the other examples I've shown. Did you want screenshots of the communications with YT? Pretty sure I can provide that too. Also not being rude by calling it out for what misinfo is. People seem to confuse so much with what YT is all about with that of the way movie studios work. Two totally different universes.
You also claim "MST3K and Shout! has never had a problem with" episodes of the show being uploaded without proper license. How do you know they have no problem with it? Unless you speak for either entity then that's merely a supposition on your part. We don't know why they haven't had all of these videos removed because we're not particularly entitled to that information.
I actually have spoken with a few peeps at Shout! so yeah, I know. I've also spoken with Dave Long over the phone and in emails. He was hired by Shout! to do those animated menus. Shout! really doesn't care what's on Youtube. The strength of the DVD sales far outweighs whatever someone uploads to YT. So yes, I actually DO know for a fact that Shout! doesn't care.
I never said that anyone needs a license to view something. To broadcast something, however, that's different and does require a license. That said...
"Did we all need licenses to sit in a living room and watch movies? No. We don't. If you got the disc, it's yours to do with what you want." Purchasing a copy of a copyrighted work is in fact a license for you to use that work for its intended purpose (your consumption of the material, in this case watching it). Here's a disclaimer from a WB Blu-ray that clarifies this: "This copyrighted product is authorized for sale or rental for private home use in the USA and Canada ONLY. Federal law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized distribution, reproduction, exhibition or retransmission of copyrighted motion pictures, videotapes, or videodiscs."
20th Century Fox Blu-ray: "The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyright work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by..." yada yada yada.
Here's one from a Shout! MST DVD set: "For noncommercial private exhibition in homes only. Any public performance, other use or copying is strictly prohibited."
So no, you are not entitled to do whatever you want with it. By uploading an MST episode (a copyrighted work) to YouTube, it's no longer a matter of private exhibition in your home, it becomes a public performance (enabling its broadcast to people across the world), both clear violations of the agreement you made with the copyright holder when you purchased the disc. Even if you aren't making money on the distribution of the copyrighted work, you are in fact in violation of copyright law.
And all of that that you just typed out is a perfect example of misinfo and myth. Yes I am entitled to do what I want with my own discs. All of what you describe pertains to bootlegging DVDs or showings at a public venue. YT is a different beast. Already told you that. When it comes to the internet, your copyrighted stuff is not protected in any way, shape or form. All you can do is claim the copyright and have your name slapped on it as the owner. That's how it really, truly works in cyber space. Once it's public domain there's nothing illegal about uploading it, sharing it, whatever, in a legitimate setting such as YT. Also in real life too. Unless you're making money off of it, which is what your examples are referring to. There is nothing illegal about anything I said or pointed out. If there was, the dispute over uploaded stuff would not be there. It's there for a reason and Fair Use does, in fact, cover ALL of that. Your last line of "you're in violation yada-yada" but no. Actually you are incorrect. And nobody's going to court, and nobody can sue all the uploaders on YT putting this stuff up. Totally different ball game. I don't care what you heard, but I'm speaking truth.
But if you wanna see me as the villain, be my guest. I really could not care less.
Whatever you do, do NOT circulate those tapes! Unless you're a hardened criminal.
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Post by discomoonmusic on Jul 21, 2020 11:46:50 GMT -5
I'm mostly just still wondering about the actual meat and potatoes of the process of contesting a copyright block. I understand the bells and whistles of fair use and the ideals of yet, I just don't know how to go about actually doing it. You can tell me I can all I want, but until somebody actually tells me which buttons to push on YouTube and what to say, this is all pie in the sky what-ifs and maybes. I asked how you physically operate a car and you tell me that we have the right to travel on in the interstate at any speed we want and how the cops don't have the right to stop me. That's great, but...how do I get the car out of park? What do I tell the cop once he pulls me over? Like, I've SEEN 113-The Black Scorpion on YouTube, I BELIEVE it can be done, I want to know HOW, not WHY. Upload a video. If they block it, follow the link they provide you to dispute. Go from there. Also if you don't know how to get a car out of park, I'm pretty sure speeding is the least of your worries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 11:51:46 GMT -5
But if you wanna see me as the villain, be my guest. I really could not care less. Oh please. There's no reason to get defensive. No one is trying to villainize you. I'm just trying to have a civil discussion but I believe now that's unreasonable. Good luck with your understanding of copyright law.
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Post by discomoonmusic on Jul 21, 2020 12:00:18 GMT -5
But if you wanna see me as the villain, be my guest. I really could not care less. Oh please. There's no reason to get defensive. No one is trying to villainize you. I'm just trying to have a civil discussion but I believe now that's unreasonable. Good luck with your understanding of copyright law. LOL I totally understand it, and how it works. Especially in the YT universe. Not defensive but frustrated that you cannot grasp the concept of how the internet works and how these copyright owners really don't have the rights to stomp the crap outta anyone using their stuff. If they were all powerful like some imagine themselves to be, there'd be no fanfics, there'd be no parody, there'd be no youtube. So you can look at all their FBI warnings all you want. It's really laughable when that stuff isn't even going to survive when people can upload their stuff to a freaking watch. But you look at it. I'm bitter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 12:09:28 GMT -5
Not defensive but frustrated that you cannot grasp the concept of how the internet works I don't appreciate being spoken of this way. I'm done here.
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Post by discomoonmusic on Jul 21, 2020 12:18:39 GMT -5
Not defensive but frustrated that you cannot grasp the concept of how the internet works I don't appreciate being spoken of this way. I'm done here. How does it feel? You've spoken down to me since the start.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 12:34:51 GMT -5
Sigh... look, I'd love to take this to private message so we don't pollute the forum with back and forth bickering.
But I've spoken down to you? I have not tried to do that and I honestly feel I have not. I think you have the wrong idea. I'd rather not get into it again about who's right and wrong here but from the start my intent was to correct (what I felt was) your mistaken understanding of fair use. We obviously disagree about that, but I've tried to be civil throughout this discussion. I think I've been polite in my responses, trying to stick only to the facts (as I interpret them, if you will). I have not tried to insult or defame you. I have certainly not questioned your intelligence as you have mine, which I feel is totally uncalled for.
I 100% apologize for my comment "good luck with your understanding", as I think that was uncalled for and posted out of my own frustration.
As I said, let's take this to pm if you'd like to continue. Otherwise I see no reason to continue this bs.
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Post by Dave Walker on Jul 21, 2020 12:35:46 GMT -5
All right, this is enough. Bart Fargo apologized for a comment. discomoonmusic calm down. If civility is that difficult, the thread is over.
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