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Post by monkeypretzel on Jul 24, 2020 14:56:09 GMT -5
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Post by Diet Kolos on Jul 24, 2020 16:49:01 GMT -5
Then why didn't they just record the actual previous live shows? Why does he need money for this? If I'm giving Joel money he damn well better sit down and put together a good, new show. Preferably with some decent quality for the production, preferably in a studio.
From what I saw of the last tour, it was totally barebones. I'm not giving money for MST3K Mummenschanz.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Jul 24, 2020 21:29:04 GMT -5
That's a very good question, and it puts all the times Joel refused to give a straight answer when fans or journalists asked him if the live shows were being recorded in a new light. How long has he had this idea in the back of his mind? I think far longer than this past tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 22:14:33 GMT -5
The way the article presents it, it sounds like the plan was to record the six movies from the live shows *after* this latest tour wrapped up. Am I reading that right? If that's the case, then were they going to do this live (again?) on a limited basis, or were they going to reconfigure them into a studio-based version, presumably without an audience?
That does beg the question: why didn't they just record various dates from the three tours? I imagine the reason for not doing it that way had to have been financial, because otherwise it's just confusing planning.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Jul 25, 2020 13:07:06 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to another crowd sourced MST3K season, but I can see it being a more challenging endeavor this time around. We technically got all we paid for, plus six more episodes later, from the initial Kickstarter campaign, but I know there're some who felt like we should've gotten more outta that. (Which, to be fair, feels like it was more Netflix's issue than anything Joel did.)
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Post by BoB3K on Jul 26, 2020 11:33:09 GMT -5
I'm in line with all the posts so far -- a little irritated, a little skeptical, a little interested. Having said that, I would probably back it, depending on the amount, but I will say this, and I think this will be indicative -- He won't raise another $5 million. In the last kickstarter, I gave $1000. Pretty much none of the extras was 'worth it'. Although, I really wasn't giving that money for the extras, I was giving the money to Joel to pay him back for literally years of entertainment and for creating one of my top 3 favorite things in life. But now I've done that. And wasn't overly impressed with the results. This time, if I back, it will be the lowest of the tiers, or maybe even lower, and wait and get the product cheap to nothing on one of my various streaming services or elsewhere. And it will really be hard for him to 'wow me' out of that opinion, because I am to the point where I can't fully believe what Joel says anymore. He's a talker, an exaggerator, a dreamer. I guess what I would need is for the kickstarter to come from someone else, like Shout! who is real and has a track record of actually producing things. ...I am actually more excited about this news as an excuse to have more to talk about here on the boards.
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Post by Megalon on Jul 26, 2020 12:53:58 GMT -5
The only thing that would excite me at this point are episodes that involved Mike, Trace, Bill, Kevin, and Joel in the starring roles. I have zero interest in new episodes starring people I've never heard of before (and that includes all the touring cast members).
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Post by hike'em'up on Jul 26, 2020 12:59:26 GMT -5
With the conclusion being that Joel all but completely squandered the take from his first, much-celebrated Kickstarter effort, I would have to end up sending in another donation in a moment of extreme weakness in order to participate this time around - contrasted against doing so with great enthusiasm for that first.
Don't blow money sending merch to donors, just focus on producing another 7-8 quality episodes. You'd think he'd have done that the first time around - what change should anybody expect here?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Jul 26, 2020 13:17:59 GMT -5
With the conclusion being that Joel all but completely squandered the take from his first, much-celebrated Kickstarter effort, I would have to end up sending in another donation in a moment of extreme weakness in order to participate this time around - contrasted against doing so with great enthusiasm for that first. Don't blow money sending merch to donors, just focus on producing another 7-8 quality episodes. You'd think he'd have done that the first time around - what change should anybody expect here? If Joel had raised 5+ mill the first time and hadn't wasted it on concept art, superfluous bonuses for backers, pointless star cameos, expensive, hard -to-schedule nerd friendly casting and, oh yeah, HAD INVOLVED ANY OF THE PREVIOUS WRITERS/AND CAST FROM THE GET-GO; and had spent all that money on actually producing a show, we'd be having a much different convo now. It may not have been the flashiest of products, it may not have even gotten picked up by Netflix, but I abso-freaking-lutely believe it would've been a better, funnier product. The amount of wasted resources and goodwill Joel spent on the Netflix series is incalculable. He burned his bridges with Trace and Frank, he wasted millions of the fan's AND Shout's cash, and now he's on his 3rd set of castmembers because he overpromised and underdelivered then tossed aside people that signed on, like Hampton and Grant Baciocco. What I'm saying is, Joel would need to do a big mea culpa and start from scratch, while giving some creative control to other people before I give him 1 more red cent.
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Post by BoB3K on Jul 29, 2020 13:09:56 GMT -5
It may not have been the flashiest of products, it may not have even gotten picked up by Netflix, but I abso-freaking-lutely believe it would've been a better, funnier product. Right on. And, as I point out repeatedly, it WASN'T a Netflix show to begin with, it was a 'fully funded' kickstarter. I didn't mind it going to Netflix when I first heard, but now looking back, it's one of the worst things that happened, second of course to Joel not spending wisely and needing to raise more money and go to them in the first place. I wish we would have gotten the full season 11, fully paid for and completed on the kickstarter, simply being streamed and sold on DVD by Shout, with all those proceeds going to a next season developed the same way.
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Post by Troy's Dad on Jul 31, 2020 15:00:15 GMT -5
I'm in the minority on this one, but I actually like the idea of them refilming all the live shows as a new season. They have the scripts completed, just need to find the time to film. And as much as I'd love a slick produced live show taping, considering they never really did one, second best would be a reenactment of a live show for TV screens. Perhaps they can work in some additional filming to connect the shows. Plus, I would love to have all the produced video content from the shows available. I recall Dr. Donna St. Phibes had a proper video introduction setting up the character, something season 12 lacked.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Aug 10, 2020 2:42:20 GMT -5
Honestly, doing the live shows as a season would be, I think, a good idea. I can understand people who get rankled about that, but, well... I think one of the biggest takeaways I ever had from all the various iterations of comparing Joel and Mike or comparing Comedy Central and Sci-Fi or even comparing Rifftrax and Film Crew is that we might have our preferences, but we ultimately don't lose anything from more new content. I forget who said it (phantom, maybe?) but someone said something like "I prefer Joel in the Joel episodes and Mike in the Mike episodes". And there's something to that: this is a show that already has a lot of permutations. There might be lost chances that we're upset about, but that doesn't mean that we can't get more chances.
And hey, everyone who said that they didn't like how polished and shiny and glossy the new Netflix episodes were can rest easily in knowing that some less shiny, less glossy options may well be on the horizon.
Joel almost certainly won't even approach his previous Kickstarter success, but I'm looking forward to just what can be kickstarted.
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Post by Broadsword on Aug 10, 2020 6:34:02 GMT -5
I saw the last show they did in Orono Maine. Had great fun though weird thinking about it now, just before the shut down of most everything later that week. Would like to see the show for nostalgia but for an actual episode no not really. I liked the last two seasons on Netflix felt to me like season one but needed more fine tuning.
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Post by BoB3K on Aug 18, 2020 11:40:02 GMT -5
... *crickets* ...
Man, I wish someone would start that new kickstarter so we all got something to talk about.
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Post by beljah on Aug 18, 2020 13:42:17 GMT -5
Been quite awhile since I posted here. I have to admit that it's also been awhile since I've watched an MST3K episode. I did take advantage of a free month of Netflix to check out the reboot in Nov. 2018 IIRC. It wasn't terrible, but I have to admit that it didn't inspire the devotion I felt in the 90's. I have gotten used to watching the entire uninterrupted film because of Rifftrax. I don't miss the Mads, the 'bots, the songs, or the skits. That format had it's time, but nearly 20 years later and I personally have moved on.
Mike, Bill, MJ, and others in the cast filled in admirably when others chose their time to leave the endeavor. Mike, Bill, Kevin, MJ, and Bridget continued with Rifftrax in 2006 after the Film Crew. So, unlike Joel, there hasn't been a long lapse in activity. I wish Joel luck and whoever choose to join in if this endeavor takes off, but I learned my lesson with Cinematic Titanic.
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