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Post by mylungswereaching on Oct 26, 2020 21:08:14 GMT -5
If you want to know where the money was spent look at the credits. Seasons 1 - 10 the credits looked like this:
Directed by ...
Season 11 and 12 The credits looked like this:
Directed by .... Assistant Director 1 ... Assistant Director 2... Assistant to the director... Assistant to the Assistant of the Director ... Assistant to Assistant Director 1... Assistant to Assistant Director 2... Directors Dog... Assistant to Directors Dog... Assistant to the Assistant of the Directors Dog........ and so on and so on
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Post by comedyc on Oct 26, 2020 21:56:50 GMT -5
The money was spent on it being a union shoot done in California. Why they thought that was a good idea, I'll never know. The show is about Cheepnis and silhouettes riffing cheesy films. The biggest expense should have been with film licensing. If only Joel had gone through the debacle of making The Movie he might have realized that route was not conducive to the show perpetuating itself. They spent all that money on host segments, when back in the day they would go thrift store hunting. It was part of the charm.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 3, 2020 12:02:13 GMT -5
The money was spent on it being a union shoot done in California. Why they thought that was a good idea, I'll never know. The show is about Cheepnis and silhouettes riffing cheesy films. The biggest expense should have been with film licensing. If only Joel had gone through the debacle of making The Movie he might have realized that route was not conducive to the show perpetuating itself. They spent all that money on host segments, when back in the day they would go thrift store hunting. It was part of the charm. Great post. You are right, what Joel did is very similar to some of the problems with The Movie, which is ironic, because as the stories go, Mallon trying to push MST3K into bigger things like The Movie is one of the 'creative differences' that lead to Joel leaving the show the first time.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 3, 2020 12:15:49 GMT -5
This discussion is full of half correct info. I wouldn't go that far. There's definitely some mis-rememberings here, like DKs saying the live stream was after the kickstarter (it was actually the final night of the kickstarter, with a countdown and all), probably confusing it with the bizarre 'pledge-drive' thing before season 12 (which I didn't give a penny too, because I already gave a bunch for season 11). But one of the big half corrects here is your idea that they didn't over-spend and run out of money and then shop around for more money and then find netflix. I followed the Kickstarter every day, and followed new info as it came out the year or so after. I have the emails that someone mentioned about the live premieres *. That is the order it happened. And, as others have mentioned, it is in print, direct from Joel in interviews. You bring up actual shooting schedules a lot, but if you follow the timeline, they were in pre-production for EVER, (back when joel would send us very sporadic and mostly lame kickstarter inside info posts, like that whole thing about redesigning the SOL that made it look phallic, and of course wasn't in the final production. And like on and on about that one new robot puppet that was waaay overdesigned and prototyped and 3d-printed, and then was literally in two skits of one ep of the new season...) My point being, that quite a bit of the money was very likely spent before shooting ever started, which as DK pointed out, is probably a big part of the problem. * (I was at the pledge level to go to the live premieres, but I didn't. It was all the way in NYC, like down town, and I decided I would just rather see the return of new MST3K like I saw all the rest -- on my couch, with a beer, at midnight (actually 3am when they released it midnight PT).)
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Post by mylungswereaching on Nov 3, 2020 14:07:54 GMT -5
Joel wasn't very inventive in how he set this up. He may have wanted Star Power. There really is no reason that the host segments and movie segments had to be shot in the same area. Shoot the host segments all at once in LA with the star power people. They should be able to rent a studio and shoot a years worth of host segments, commercials etc in a few days.
But write and produce the movie segments in a lower priced location with lower priced talent. Have the writers and movie hosts in the same room to do the writing. Allow additional writers to write from a distance just like they have always done. Then practice and shoot the movie segments with a small crew on blue screen like they always have. Combine the movie and host segments in post production. Joel stays the producer, the face of the show and is there for the host segment shoots. But someone else local handles the movie segment shoots unless Joel is willing to move to the movie shoot location for the writing.
Joel can't have total control for this to work. The way he set it up is just too expensive. There is a lot of talent out there. What you really need is a really good head writer who is willing to move to an out of the way location. Maybe one of Joel's Hollywood friends who is sick of L.A.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Nov 3, 2020 15:03:03 GMT -5
The topic seems to have drifted a bit, but I'll say that seasons 11 and 12 are still "fresh" enough that some people want to discuss them on their own, and also that we're still getting bits of new news about MST3K here and there that seem related to both the newest episodes and also the general concept of "relaunching" and "being new", and there's even a hint of "spoiler warning" in play for people who've not been able to watch the newest episodes yet. It's also a case where there's some room for overlap in the umbrella terms.
So, if you hear that Jim Mallon is releasing vinyl LPs of the Flash animation sketches? That could be General chat, or maybe even Deep 13 News. Is Joel kickstarting a live show? I could see General Chat, or I could see that being here in the Relaunch board. Who wins in a fight between J. Elvis Weinstein's Servo, Kevin Murphey's Servo, James Moore's Servo, and Baron Vaughn's Servo? That could go here or in the more General MST3K one. Do you want to see a riffing of another movie by the director of one of your favorite films from season 11? I could easily see that here or in General.
And, of course, all topics are welcome in The Mind of Rick Sloane by ancient and horrible decree.
Ultimately, there's a lot of "use your best judgement" in play. The Poobahs may nudge a topic from one board to another on occasion in keeping with our mysterious whims or if we feel that the tone of something is a little too "off brand" for a given sub board, but there's enough leeway that you're probably fine going with your gut.
Case in point: I wouldn't have objected to this topic in Robot Roll Call personally, but it's probably fine here. The people who use this sub board are more likely to see it here than there anyway, so this is good.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Nov 3, 2020 16:15:01 GMT -5
This discussion is full of half correct info. I wouldn't go that far. There's definitely some mis-rememberings here, like DKs saying the live stream was after the kickstarter (it was actually the final night of the kickstarter, with a countdown and all), probably confusing it with the bizarre 'pledge-drive' thing before season 12 (which I didn't give a penny too, because I already gave a bunch for season 11). But one of the big half corrects here is your idea that they didn't over-spend and run out of money and then shop around for more money and then find netflix. I followed the Kickstarter every day, and followed new info as it came out the year or so after. I have the emails that someone mentioned about the live premieres *. That is the order it happened. And, as others have mentioned, it is in print, direct from Joel in interviews. You bring up actual shooting schedules a lot, but if you follow the timeline, they were in pre-production for EVER, (back when joel would send us very sporadic and mostly lame kickstarter inside info posts, like that whole thing about redesigning the SOL that made it look phallic, and of course wasn't in the final production. And like on and on about that one new robot puppet that was waaay overdesigned and prototyped and 3d-printed, and then was literally in two skits of one ep of the new season...) My point being, that quite a bit of the money was very likely spent before shooting ever started, which as DK pointed out, is probably a big part of the problem. * (I was at the pledge level to go to the live premieres, but I didn't. It was all the way in NYC, like down town, and I decided I would just rather see the return of new MST3K like I saw all the rest -- on my couch, with a beer, at midnight (actually 3am when they released it midnight PT).)I mean if you’re going to refute my claim about half accurate info with more half accurate info, I’ll just go back to my statement that you’re not capable of having a rational discussion about the return of MST3K. You’re a great contributor to this forum, I enjoy your posts. Except when they’re about the return, which is when my eyes start to roll out of my head. The Kickstarter had this when it launched: “ With your help, we can create a new season of MST3K, prove there's still an audience, and maybe even convince a network to bring us back for more.” So the idea was clearly to find a permanent home from the start, not some Hail Mary to fix a financial problem two months before filming. I can only speak to contract negotiations in music, but for the July announcements, discussions with Netflix would have begun at least in May, but in reality they probably started the day after the Kickstarter ended, if not earlier. They had just wrapped up the highest grossing movie and TV Kickstarter of all time. Trying to capitalize off the buzz is important. You don’t wait six months for things to cool off. Also, not sure where you get the idea that I’m denying things ended up being off financially. I’m pretty sure I’m the one who shared the WTF interview where Joel mentioned getting about $100,000 per episode from Netflix that helped cover the shortfall. But you talk about concept art and 3D printing like it could have run into the millions. If it was more than $100,000 I would eat my Cheesy Movie Circus hat.
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