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Post by kracker on May 12, 2021 20:24:37 GMT -5
Really its all about whether it would make a good episode rather than it being played out, whether its Mac and Me or Twilight, but like someone said Twilight is a bland teenage girl drama and there's just not a lot to work with. same with the rest of these blockbuster movies. Mac and Me had a lot of great targets to hit, who cares if people are aware of it already.
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Post by Mighty Jack on May 12, 2021 20:26:46 GMT -5
You might have a point there Kolos, I do remember when Hamlet aired - we were so bored with it, we said, well, this is a chore, let's go do something else. That's the only time I ever walked out on a new MST ep (even Strange Creatures I stuck with to the bitter end).
My thinking back then was why would they choose this, there are only 13 episodes this year, why would they throw a week away for this damp, gray, slog of a picture, that they can't liven up with their riffing?
Of course, I eventually sat through the whole ep, and eventually even discovered funny stuff in it. When you look at the bigger picture, I'm okay with them doing a Hamlet out of the 200+ movies they've covered, but at the time, with a short season winding down, it was a head-scratcher.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 13, 2021 1:10:18 GMT -5
I've seen far worse episodes than Atlantic Rim, LOL. I think people bring their feelings about them doing an Asylum film into it and factor out the MST episode entirely. Despite what is said above, Atlantic Rim is not a deliberate piss-take of a movie like most of Asylum's work product.
Incredibly Strange Creatures I nearly bailed on. I know there were others but I've been watching so long and I dip in and out in spurts these days (when the show isn't back in production, that is) that I don't recall them all. I know I did not make it to the end of Overdrawn at the Memory Bank the first time, even for Raul Julia.
But again, as I and others have said, it's all subjective. It's beyond me that people would find Killer Fish to be a fail, for example, since with that cast, that era and that premise I find it gold and I think MST did a solid job with it. But others differ.
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Post by dustincomplete on May 13, 2021 7:05:40 GMT -5
That was particularly the case with The Gauntlet, as it was an even shorter season than season 7, with only 6 episodes. It's greedy and selfish to say, but I hope we never get such a short season ever again. No one's expecting a return to the mega-seasons that were 3/4/5/6, but six episodes is rough. Having 9-12 episodes is so much better.
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Post by slainmonkey on May 13, 2021 8:40:21 GMT -5
That was particularly the case with The Gauntlet, as it was an even shorter season than season 7, with only 6 episodes. It's greedy and selfish to say, but I hope we never get such a short season ever again. No one's expecting a return to the mega-seasons that were 3/4/5/6, but six episodes is rough. Having 9-12 episodes is so much better. If we do, I hope it’s more like seasons 7 where every episode was a pretty strong showing. Having 2 duds in a 6 episode season really hurt it a great deal, and not even the best episode “Ator” ranked up with the best of season 11....I really want better things from season 13, and hope we at least get a few outright classics!
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Post by majorjoe23 on May 13, 2021 8:54:34 GMT -5
With the Gizmoplex, I’ll be curious if “seasons” really remain a thing. RiffTrax doesn’t have seasons, just a continuous flow of content. I could see a month off here or there, but if the Gizmoplex is relying on subscribers, they can’t really go too long without new episodes.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 13, 2021 9:15:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the thing. With Atlantic Rim, the movie was made bad on purpose. So, if someone tries to make fun of it, than they would just come off as stupid because the whole point of the film was to be stupid. It's basically like trying to riff on a comedy. It can work, but it would be very hard to do so without letting the movie laugh at the riffers, so to say. I think for a film like Atlantic Rim, the riffing needs to be angrier for it to work. And from what I remember of watching it, I don't think they really went all the way. But I probably need to rewatch all of season 12 anyway to get a better opinion on it. atlantic rim is no different than lots of MST3K movies.. it's only 'made bad on purpose' in the sense that the studio and filmmakers knowingly used a poopie script and gave it a budget that guaranteed the effects would suck and the acting would be terrible.. space mutiny, giant spider invasion, wizards of the lost kingdom 2, cave dwellers, etc etc etc it's the same.. heck the upcoming Robot Wars by Full Moon Pictures is exactly the same... no difference between Full Moon Pictures and The Aslyum studio. It's just a studio putting out crap that makes for a good poster/cover art.. keeping folks working, ripping off investors, and largely hating the audience .. both also dip into the comedy side too (ex: sharknado for aslyum and Gingerdead Man vs Evil Bong for full moon pictures) I was pleased that the crew got mean with the riffing in Atlantic Rim.. they were too nice to some of the stinkers in Season 11.. Atlantic Rim needed some of that Sci-Fi era angst and I was happy they got it.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 13, 2021 9:18:05 GMT -5
With the Gizmoplex, I’ll be curious if “seasons” really remain a thing. RiffTrax doesn’t have seasons, just a continuous flow of content. I could see a month off here or there, but if the Gizmoplex is relying on subscribers, they can’t really go too long without new episodes. I think seasons will still be a thing if only in the loose narrative arc of the storylines but I am also hoping that the days of waiting forever between seasons are over.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 13, 2021 9:22:47 GMT -5
. It's beyond me that people would find Killer Fish to be a fail, for example, since with that cast, that era and that premise I find it gold and I think MST did a solid job with it. But others differ. Some folks here really hate the shorter lengths of the Season 12 episodes and in particularly claim that the Killer Fish episode was ruined cause they had to cut too much of the film. I disagree but that is what I keep hearing.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 13, 2021 9:29:11 GMT -5
The Sci-Fi run came hot out the gate with a bunch of Universal International sci-fi flicks from the 50's, then they switched it up with a quartet of American International films. I don't know if there was ever a reason why, but Sci-Fi might have had cold feet about starting the show with movies that were "too bad" and just gave them a bunch of old movies they had the rights to. I Was a Teenage Werewolf was one of them, and other well-known movies like Revenge of the Creature, The Mole People, and The Deadly Mantis were as well. I think "movies they had the rights to" was really the driving factor. It was a way for Sci-Fi to tip their toes in the water on the show before they started paying licensing fees. The guy who had the job of getting movies for the Sci-Fi era explained that why they did Hamlet is because they were running out of films that the Sci-Fi channel had clearance for.. He explained that if the Sci-Fi era were to have more seasons we would have saw more movies that were poor fits for the show. I thought that was kind of interesting. I have no way of verifying if that guy was telling the truth.. he was a member on one of the facebook fan groups and seemed credible with the indepth knowledge of how it worked for seasons 8,9,10..
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Post by slainmonkey on May 13, 2021 10:03:07 GMT -5
With the Gizmoplex, I’ll be curious if “seasons” really remain a thing. RiffTrax doesn’t have seasons, just a continuous flow of content. I could see a month off here or there, but if the Gizmoplex is relying on subscribers, they can’t really go too long without new episodes. I think they’ll remain that way at least for a bit, because they’ll likely wanna break between to rebuild revenue, and plan out the next batch of episodes. Rifftrax are essentially more a comedic audio tracks, where as MST3K has to write and budget out the host segments.....so despite the similarities between the 2, MST3K is a most complex production!
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Post by wedestroymyths on May 13, 2021 10:15:39 GMT -5
I bet we’ll start seeing a couple of months between seasons, but we’ll see more live events/riff alongs in the down time to keep the subscriptions going, maybe? Though, it could certainly work for them to make an episode a month. Especially with two crews. Maybe that’s part of the reasoning behind that? Each crew is basically making an episode every other month, assuming they alternate? And if I remember correctly, the original run eps took 7-10 days to make?
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Post by dudehitscar on May 13, 2021 10:19:34 GMT -5
I like the Invasion of the Neptune Men as well. That's the thing. You'll never find two people with the same lists of favorites. And the type movies I don't like on MST3k are movies that are intentionally bad. To me, the best are movies where they tried to make a great movie but just didn't have the talent, money or time. That's why I tend to like the movies from the 1950's and 60's the best. They just seem more earnestly bad back then. It seems like its more difficult to be totally incompetent but competent enough now because there are so many more resources to teach people now. I get we all have preferred eras.. I struggle to find sincerity and conviction in most of the movies in MST3K... invasion of the Neptune men as well. Occasionally they will feature something like magic voyage of sinbad, jack frost, etc which has some real artistry behind it but that is insanely rare. it's all cold 'can you believe these idiots pay us to do this' capitalism.. those super old ones that aimed at kids are even more insulting.. talk about hating the audience... the filmmakers continually put in the lowest effort possible to make the most money possible regardless of the results because hey 'the parents are paying and the kids are stupid'... just my take..
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Post by BilLumberg on May 13, 2021 10:41:40 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with them experimenting with different kinds of movies and host segments. MST3K has always tried to do new things. Sometimes they work sometime they don't. One persons worst episode is another's favorite. I imagine the show would not have the diverse fan base it does without the variety. Plus having an environment where trying new ideas is encouraged allows for more creativity from the cast and writers.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 13, 2021 10:44:18 GMT -5
With the Gizmoplex, I’ll be curious if “seasons” really remain a thing. RiffTrax doesn’t have seasons, just a continuous flow of content. I could see a month off here or there, but if the Gizmoplex is relying on subscribers, they can’t really go too long without new episodes. I think they’ll remain that way at least for a bit, because they’ll likely wanna break between to rebuild revenue, and plan out the next batch of episodes. Rifftrax are essentially more a comedic audio tracks, where as MST3K has to write and budget out the host segments.....so despite the similarities between the 2, MST3K is a most complex production! agreed.. if the new season runs to dec as planned then they could take Jan and Feb off without much of an issue. New episodes monthly from March - Dec every year would be a dream come true.
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