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Post by dudehitscar on May 14, 2021 16:10:27 GMT -5
as someone who loves MST3K and South Park I find this narrative really puzzling. It’s not that puzzling, as time changes so do demographics. There are plenty of people who love both shows, but to many at the time audiences wanted something that was far more jaded and edgy than MST3K, that was part of the culture of the mid to late 90’s (and early 2000’s if we’re to be perfectly honest). again I am puzzled by the idea that the fans stopped watching MST3K because South Park was edgy. MST3K was always a niche show.. South Park is was a gigantic hit. From my perspective.. the idea of watching bad movies for fun only grew throughout the 90s. but we all have different experiences with the cultures growing up.. I graduated in 2000.. so I can only speak for teenagers I knew in the 90s. edit: i mispoke in that first sentence... see later comment for clarification.
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Post by Torgo on May 14, 2021 16:29:52 GMT -5
MST was off the air on CC when South Park debuted.
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Post by slainmonkey on May 14, 2021 16:38:07 GMT -5
It’s not that puzzling, as time changes so do demographics. There are plenty of people who love both shows, but to many at the time audiences wanted something that was far more jaded and edgy than MST3K, that was part of the culture of the mid to late 90’s (and early 2000’s if we’re to be perfectly honest). again I am puzzled by the idea that the fans stopped watching MST3K because South Park was edgy. MST3K was always a niche show.. South Park is was a gigantic hit. From my perspective.. the idea of watching bad movies for fun only grew throughout the 90s. but we all have different experiences with the cultures growing up.. I graduated in 2000.. so I can only speak for teenagers I knew in the 90s. I literally never said it was because of South Park. The only reason South Park is brought up is because it was an example of the shift in direction that Comedy Central went in to accommodate the changes in the dynamic of audiences in the later half of the 90’s!
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Post by wedestroymyths on May 14, 2021 18:17:15 GMT -5
again I am puzzled by the idea that the fans stopped watching MST3K because South Park was edgy. MST3K was always a niche show.. South Park is was a gigantic hit. From my perspective.. the idea of watching bad movies for fun only grew throughout the 90s. but we all have different experiences with the cultures growing up.. I graduated in 2000.. so I can only speak for teenagers I knew in the 90s. I literally never said it was because of South Park. The only reason South Park is brought up is because it was an example of the shift in direction that Comedy Central went in to accommodate the changes in the dynamic of audiences in the later half of the 90’s! Do you ever get the sense some folks are just here to pick fights?
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Post by slainmonkey on May 14, 2021 18:27:36 GMT -5
I literally never said it was because of South Park. The only reason South Park is brought up is because it was an example of the shift in direction that Comedy Central went in to accommodate the changes in the dynamic of audiences in the later half of the 90’s! Do you ever get the sense some folks are just here to pick fights? They’re either here to pick fights, or just can’t control themselves....either way it’s incredibly tiresome!
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Post by dudehitscar on May 14, 2021 19:26:47 GMT -5
Do you ever get the sense some folks are just here to pick fights? They’re either here to pick fights, or just can’t control themselves....either way it’s incredibly tiresome! OMG it's so fn offensive that I challenged the idea that the cultural winds that made south park a huge hit (the exact example that others brought up) are the reason that MST3K went down in ratings.. expressing my personal experience that the idea of watching bad movies for fun grew in popularity as I grew up is also offensive.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 14, 2021 19:36:14 GMT -5
I literally never said it was because of South Park. The only reason South Park is brought up is because it was an example of the shift in direction that Comedy Central went in to accommodate the changes in the dynamic of audiences in the later half of the 90’s! to be clear I am not claiming that folks here are saying south park is the reason for MST3K's demise. South Park is the result of the comedic cultural winds of what you are saying is the reason for MST3K's demise. I am saying that the dynamics that lead to South Park being a huge hit (as you described) isn't the reason for the decline in ratings but rather the more limited audience that can appreciate the movie choices of season 6 compared to previous ones as well as the growing pains that come with cast changes. Just my opinion.
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 14, 2021 19:41:10 GMT -5
They’re either here to pick fights, or just can’t control themselves....either way it’s incredibly tiresome! OMG it's so fn offensive that I challenged the idea that the cultural winds that made south park a huge hit (the exact example that others brought up) are the reason that MST3K went down in ratings.. expressing my personal experience that the idea of watching bad movies for fun grew in popularity as I grew up is also offensive. I know I'm stepping in front of the proverbial bus, but if I could step in and try to be a voice of reason here. I'm going to try and remain neutral in tone and content. I think the disconnect between you and other forum members is coming from the fact that you seem to be viewing these discussions as competitive arguments. Where one person puts forward their opinion and then you have to come in and demand proof so they back up their opinion, or so you can say that they're wrong and your opinion is better. This isn't Reddit. We don't HAVE to make every single discussion a peeing natch. Someone posts an opinion you don't especially agree with, fine. Post your own, but leave out the denigrating tone and snarky asides. Stop with the passive aggressive "these opinions you people have sure are puzzling..." And the "cry whine whimper" thing is trolling, and isn't going to make anyone want to take your opinions seriously, regardless of their merit. Just have a polite conversation. Even if other people don't share your exact point of view, its no reason to constantly escalate. And if you can't, just...walk away. Some things can just be let go. -And this is probably good advise for EVERYONE. Sometimes its ok to ignore what upsets you and just...let it go. Ignore it. And move on.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on May 14, 2021 21:22:04 GMT -5
Season 6 happens to be my favorite Mike season. But I can see why ratings started to decline after people were furious with Joel’s departure. Plus Frank left at the end of season 6.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on May 14, 2021 21:23:34 GMT -5
I literally never said it was because of South Park. The only reason South Park is brought up is because it was an example of the shift in direction that Comedy Central went in to accommodate the changes in the dynamic of audiences in the later half of the 90’s! Do you ever get the sense some folks are just here to pick fights? EEEEYUP!
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Post by Diet Kolos on May 14, 2021 21:27:29 GMT -5
I'll also say movie selection in Season 6 is overall sub-par, probably because movie rights acquisition had gotten difficult by that point. But Colossus vs The Head Hunters, Amazing Transparent Man, Red Zone Cuba, Bloodlust, Kitten With a Whip, Racket Girls, etc... Not exactly the greatest movie choices (in my own opinion). Probably didn't help.
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Post by wedestroymyths on May 14, 2021 23:15:52 GMT -5
I'll also say movie selection in Season 6 is overall sub-par, probably because movie rights acquisition had gotten difficult by that point. But Colossus vs The Head Hunters, Amazing Transparent Man, Red Zone Cuba, Bloodlust, Kitten With a Whip, Racket Girls, etc... Not exactly the greatest movie choices (in my own opinion). Probably didn't help. Agreed--and am I imagining it, or did I read a long time ago that rights acquisition got progressively more difficult as rights holders began demanding more as they saw the show's relative success, and, in some cases, grew more familiar with what the films would be used for?
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Post by slainmonkey on May 15, 2021 2:51:15 GMT -5
They’re either here to pick fights, or just can’t control themselves....either way it’s incredibly tiresome! OMG it's so fn offensive that I challenged the idea that the cultural winds that made south park a huge hit (the exact example that others brought up) are the reason that MST3K went down in ratings.. expressing my personal experience that the idea of watching bad movies for fun grew in popularity as I grew up is also offensive. If it was just what you said here it honestly wouldn’t even be a problem. However whenever someone says something you don’t happen to agree with, you become oddly confrontational about it. Hasn’t it occurred to you that you get into a lot of heated arguments on this forum? Hell sometimes it’s over something as simple as people not liking episodes that you do....like remember the time you took issue with me for calling Atlantic Rim the worst episode? The biggest issue also seems to come from the fact that the second someone given an opinion of something that you don’t agree with, you don’t respect it. At the end of that day, all any of us here want is just a little respect....but that honestly seems like it’s asking too much from you!
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on May 15, 2021 6:06:51 GMT -5
I'll also say movie selection in Season 6 is overall sub-par, probably because movie rights acquisition had gotten difficult by that point. But Colossus vs The Head Hunters, Amazing Transparent Man, Red Zone Cuba, Bloodlust, Kitten With a Whip, Racket Girls, etc... Not exactly the greatest movie choices (in my own opinion). Probably didn't help. Any particular reason why you don’t like Bloodlust? Just curious. (While it’s just another Most Dangerous Game ripoff I actually thought it was pretty enjoyable, both as a movie and episode). The others I completely agree minus Kitten.
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Post by slainmonkey on May 15, 2021 6:23:35 GMT -5
I'll also say movie selection in Season 6 is overall sub-par, probably because movie rights acquisition had gotten difficult by that point. But Colossus vs The Head Hunters, Amazing Transparent Man, Red Zone Cuba, Bloodlust, Kitten With a Whip, Racket Girls, etc... Not exactly the greatest movie choices (in my own opinion). Probably didn't help. Any particular reason why you don’t like Bloodlust? Just curious. (While it’s just another Most Dangerous Game ripoff I actually thought it was pretty enjoyable, both as a movie and episode). The others I completely agree minus Kitten. Yeah, I personally enjoyed Bloodlust as well!
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