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Post by Diet Kolos on Sept 14, 2021 16:45:02 GMT -5
The way he described it, it was based on length, not necessarily objectionable content.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Sept 14, 2021 16:53:21 GMT -5
And they're already doing 83 minutes uncut of Gamera vs Jiger. And let me tell you, that movie drags. But they're doing it anyways. In for a penny, in for a pound as far as unedited, possibly boring movies, I say.
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Post by jedicrippler on Sept 14, 2021 20:55:13 GMT -5
Another update, more info. Movies are from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s & 2010s. 1 black & white. They turned down a movie they had already licensed because the owner wouldn't let them edit it down. Apparently it was 14 minutes too long. Considering they're doing Gamera vs Jiger uncut at 83 minutes for nostalgia purposes, it makes one wonder what their ideal movie time is. I'm guessing its in the 60-65 minute range, +/-5 minutes. Seems like a waste to throw out a movie you went to all the trouble they've described, that matches all the prerequisites...just to toss it over 14 minutes. When it would've premiered on a streaming service you own. So time limits aren't really a thing... Pretty sure the 14 minutes comment was about Gamera v. Jiger. Not the movie they turned down due to it's length.
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Post by wedestroymyths on Sept 15, 2021 0:27:27 GMT -5
Yeah, the 14 minutes is in reference to Gamera vs Jiger.
"In season 13, you’ll see us riff the uncut Gamera vs. Jiger, which we agreed to as a condition of getting the rights for it. And you might not think those extra fourteen minutes would make a huge difference in how the riff feels, but when you’re writing it – or watching it – those fourteen extra minutes can feel like a hundred years, especially when most of it is people in rubber suits throwing each other around."
So, if the film is 83 minutes, that would imply that the ideal length they're going for is 69 (heh) minutes. I've never timed out sketches in episodes, but I'd guess the various non-theater segments add up to about 15-20 minutes? So it seems we're probably looking at 85-90 minute episodes (excepting the jumbo Gamera episode). So, a little shorter than the old episodes, it would seem, but if they come in around 90, I'll be happy.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Sept 15, 2021 6:32:42 GMT -5
Hm. Must've misread that pretty bad.
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Post by BoB3K on Sept 15, 2021 11:36:35 GMT -5
And they're already doing 83 minutes uncut of Gamera vs Jiger. And let me tell you, that movie drags. That's what the riffing is for. Making fun out of cheesy, bad, and boring. I bet they leave out the middle host segment again (or more), and we essentially now have not just NuMST3K but MST3K lite. bleh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:27:41 GMT -5
"In season 13, you’ll see us riff the uncut Gamera vs. Jiger, which we agreed to as a condition of getting the rights for it. And you might not think those extra fourteen minutes would make a huge difference in how the riff feels, but when you’re writing it – or watching it – those fourteen extra minutes can feel like a hundred years, especially when most of it is people in rubber suits throwing each other around."
Why are they complaining about this in particular if they want to riff a Gamera movie? That's the name of the game; it seems crazy to me that they'd bemoan the notion that they have to come up with jokes about guys in rubber suits fighting.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Sept 15, 2021 15:37:26 GMT -5
Hm. Must've misread that pretty bad. I think your point still stands. We've had two detailed updates about how excruciating the process is to select movies, and to acquire the rights for those movies. To let one that you've chosen, and acquired the rights to, go because you can't edit it down to 65-ish minutes the way you want to? Unless it's entirely for violent or sexual content, that seems...wasteful. And according to a previous update where Matt explains the selection process, a movie with too much un-family-friendly content wouldn't have been selected in the first place.
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Post by kracker on Sept 15, 2021 19:48:48 GMT -5
Yeah that's what riffing is for and luckily, because its a Gamera movie, they are willing to put in the effort. I imagine there's other movies where they have to weigh cutting their losses after murphy's law does its damage.
All this talk makes me think of Manos and what compelled them to put in the effort of writing that episode despite how awkwardly the movie drags the whole way through. And I imagine they cant go through that process every time they come across a movie like that.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Sept 15, 2021 20:51:45 GMT -5
Yeah that's what riffing is for and luckily, because its a Gamera movie, they are willing to put in the effort. I imagine there's other movies where they have to weigh cutting their losses after murphy's law does its damage.
All this talk makes me think of Manos and what compelled them to put in the effort of writing that episode despite how awkwardly the movie drags the whole way through. And I imagine they cant go through that process every time they come across a movie like that.
They did it for Manos, and all the other movies that drag, because THAT IS THEIR JOB. They write jokes to go over bad and cheesy movies, and they get paid for it. It's WORK. It's not always going to be easy, or fun, or enjoyable, or even tolerable. Sometimes it's going to be really hard to try and write funny. But it is their job, and they certainly can go through that process every time they come across movies like that, because if they can't, then they shouldn't be MST3K writers.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Sept 15, 2021 21:44:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get that attitude the new writers have regarding "dull bits" and how hard it is to write for them. Like, I get cutting out some lulls. I don't get cutting out EVERY lull and slow bit. They're writers. They're writing for MST. If the new writers are so inexplicably unable to do the tough bits, pay Frank, Trace, Mary Jo, et al their worth to do it for them.
It also gets back to the idea that at a certain point, we're here to watch a movie and experience it, with the funny commentary on top. The commentary is enhanced by shared experience of watching the movie and understanding why its bad. Cutting the movies down the way they do reduces that viewer-riffer connection. Otherwise we're just watching endless stream of consciousness on top of disconnected goofy film snippets.
But that's just my holistic view of things that nobody cares about.
I remain hopeful that the movies won't be horribly, horribly butchered and we get 70-75 minutes of theater time in Season 13 for most of the episodes. I'm also hopeful the middle host segment returns. And the credits aren't 6+ minutes. And the riffs sound more natural. And the riffs themselves lean less scatological/nerd culture humor. And we get something more akin to the heights of Season 11 and less like the depths of Season 12.
I'm just a hopeful guy, I guess...
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Post by comedyc on Sept 15, 2021 23:43:29 GMT -5
My guess is that they are trying to keep the episodes of a consistent length, for later syndication purposes. With Gamera vs Jiger being the anomaly that probably wouldn't be up for syndication later due to rights. I, as well, fear the middle host segment might be gone. It's such a love-hate relationship I have with NuMST3K. On one hand, it's great to have it back, and there's always something in each new episode I really enjoy. On the other hand, we can't have the old format anymore because it's now and not then. I wish they would have told us, you'll get the show back, but it'll be mutated. I suppose they kinda did, I just Pollyanna-ed over it.
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Post by BoB3K on Sept 16, 2021 10:23:52 GMT -5
It also gets back to the idea that at a certain point, we're here to watch a movie and experience it, with the funny commentary on top. The commentary is enhanced by shared experience of watching the movie and understanding why its bad. Cutting the movies down the way they do reduces that viewer-riffer connection. Otherwise we're just watching endless stream of consciousness on top of disconnected goofy film snippets. Wow, perfectly put. I've said often times before that I watch MST3K as much for the cheesy movies as I do the riffing. I want to experience some old unknown B movie for the first time and react to it along with my funny riff friends.
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2021 12:52:18 GMT -5
Yeah they should be Rifftrax writers apparently :b because they'll brute force riff anything no matter how dull the end product is. Editing is a thing and its an important part of comedy. Im sure you are aware of every famous quote that stresses in comedy, timing is everything. It's not their job to take something impossible to riff so you can bitch about how that Hamlet episode was the worst episode ever, why did they do that movie instead of something funny, what dummies. Instead of putting quality over quantity through a selection process and editing, which is also part of the job. Every comedian cuts out jokes in favor of a tighter set rather than making jokes for the sake of making jokes "because its their job dammit" Yeah that's what riffing is for and luckily, because its a Gamera movie, they are willing to put in the effort. I imagine there's other movies where they have to weigh cutting their losses after murphy's law does its damage.
All this talk makes me think of Manos and what compelled them to put in the effort of writing that episode despite how awkwardly the movie drags the whole way through. And I imagine they cant go through that process every time they come across a movie like that.
They did it for Manos, and all the other movies that drag, because THAT IS THEIR JOB. They write jokes to go over bad and cheesy movies, and they get paid for it. It's WORK. It's not always going to be easy, or fun, or enjoyable, or even tolerable. Sometimes it's going to be really hard to try and write funny. But it is their job, and they certainly can go through that process every time they come across movies like that, because if they can't, then they shouldn't be MST3K writers.
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Post by comedyc on Sept 16, 2021 15:23:15 GMT -5
"Otherwise we're just watching endless stream of consciousness on top of disconnected goofy film snippets." Oh, you mean Mighty Jack This is how I interpret MST3K. I try not to pay attention to the movie until about the 20-30th viewing, then I can start to piece together story lines from the film. I still couldn't tell you the plot of probably half the films they've shown.
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