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Post by Mighty Jack on Aug 11, 2021 23:39:46 GMT -5
Things can always go wrong.
The Gizmoplex isn't being built from the square one, and that should help. Still.... and maybe this is because I'm the living embodiment of murphy's law, but my inner brain always imagines the worst.
But If it all comes off with out a hitch, or few hitches, then yahoo!
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Post by Torgo on Aug 12, 2021 2:32:08 GMT -5
Oh I fully expect the Gizmoplex to be a buggy mess at launch. Streaming apps usually are. Shudder was damn near unusable for a good while after launch. It works great now, but I could only get that to work on my phone at the time.
I anticipate that should certain aspects of the more ambitious plans for the Gizmoplex need fine tuning, they could always scale it back at launch as a simple media player app for MST content, and add the rest as updates as needed.
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Post by kracker on Aug 12, 2021 9:48:16 GMT -5
Doesn't matter much when you're just going to do the download option and watch the new episode on your own player anyway. I probably wont even touch the features of the Gizmoplex until its amassed loads of content to access.
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Post by BoB3K on Aug 13, 2021 11:25:17 GMT -5
Doesn't matter much when you're just going to do the download option and watch the new episode on your own player anyway. I probably wont even touch the features of the Gizmoplex until its amassed loads of content to access. Yeah this. I know some people like the live watch things, but I don't need any of that. When I watch a live YouTube thing (like The Mads), the first thing I do is hide all the chat windows and such. I might read some comments afterwards, but when I'm actually watching the show, I just want to watch the show.
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Post by said43 on Aug 13, 2021 12:07:46 GMT -5
"Fun fact: Our agreement doesn't allow us to make any edits to Gamera, so we need to show you ALL of the 83 minutes, which means that'll be an extra-long episode."
Well, that should satisfy people (myself included) who were annoyed with the edits in season 12's movies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 12:18:35 GMT -5
so we need to show you ALL of the 83 minutes, which means that'll be an extra-long episode." Aka a normal length episode circa 1991.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Aug 13, 2021 12:20:21 GMT -5
83 minutes is the longest "theater time" since 317-Viking Women vs The Sea Serpent, which was 85 minutes. Quite a few Season 1-3 episodes pushed north of 80 minutes in the theater (which frankly I preferred). SourceHeck,I preferred the 75-78 min avg of Season 4-10 to the 60-65ish minutes we've been getting.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Aug 13, 2021 15:23:02 GMT -5
I'm guessing that even with the "extra long" 83 minute Gamera movie, the total episode length for that will come in at around 95 minutes, including theme song and credits. They'll write short host segments. Judging by what Lesley said about writing for an unedited movie ("it definitely makes you appreciate the editing MST3K usually does to make certain movies less of a plod"), the other movies for Season 13 will be as heavily edited as ones in the previous two seasons.
Speaking of host segments, has there been any mention of whether there will be two or three host segments during the movies?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Aug 13, 2021 16:37:06 GMT -5
I HOPE they go lighter on severely editing the films this time around.
Beyond the bog-standard removing objectionable stuff and boring long walking scenes (and maybe to get the episodes down to a length that can be syndicated)...they really don't NEED to edit these films to the little nubs they were in Season 12. The people subscribing know what they're getting, there's no general Netflix-sized audience to try and appease anymore. Just...let the movies breathe.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Aug 13, 2021 18:48:57 GMT -5
Going lighter on the edits is something I very much want. I'm in favor of editing things for content (MST3K's always had a kind of "family friendly swears" level of language, which I appreciate, and it's let them dodge some bullets like with Sidehackers) but just cutting things to fit a certain timeframe never sat with me. And frankly, the edits for time made to, for instance, This Island Earth actually make it a worse movie. So hopefully without network restrictions and such we can actually get movies that last the intended length (plus whatever MST3K gives them.)
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Post by kracker on Aug 13, 2021 21:06:11 GMT -5
The edits are also to cut out parts of the movie where they aren't giving them much to riff off of. Really crappy movies also means really crappy editing with extremely boring or redundant or padded out parts of the movie that are going to be flat comedic dead zones.
Likely won't be an issue with the Gamera flick, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 22:24:41 GMT -5
I have a copy of The Starfighters on VHS; I've never mustered the strength to watch the whole thing, but I did back it up to DVD-R (in part to get the refueling "love theme" sans riffing) and the run time was pretty much identical to what they used in their episode (maybe a few seconds trimmed at commercials, but that's it). That's one of the most terminally boring movies they ever chose to riff (admittedly because they had no other to fall back on, but still) and they used practically every second of it. I'm glad they did, because their riffing is just as good as it ever was, maybe even better -- they forced themselves to riff what little that movie gave them and IMO it came out as a classic. That's the episode I point to to illustrate that they were capable of riffing utterly dreadful stretches of movie while still being funny and clever *and* without relentlessly dogpiling on the filmmakers or the film itself (as they did more frequently with Sci-Fi).
That's subjective, of course, but IMO they can riff 75+ minutes if they choose to and make it consistently funny. It may be difficult, but it's not without precedent.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Aug 15, 2021 8:07:13 GMT -5
You make a good point. Starfighters is a good example of a nothing movie, made something through the riffing.
And I used to think Mesa of Lost Women was unriffible (too many static scenes of people just standing there, staring), but Rifftrax managed to prove me wrong and made it funny.
On the other hand, there are movies that wore them down. I like "Radar Secret Service" but have to admit, I didn't get as many big laughs in the final 20 minutes, and the MST-cast has spoken about what a chore it was to riff on (and the movie was only an hour-long).
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Post by dudehitscar on Aug 15, 2021 11:00:13 GMT -5
after sitting through the full run times of a lot of cheesy movies through rifftrax I can safely say that I am generally in favor of editing these turds down and culling the dull. It's one of the many things that makes MST3K better than rifftrax for me. I seem to remember Joel saying they are aiming for 90 mins again which is significantly longer than Season 12's episodes and that is fine too (can anyone else comfirm?) Bring back the third host segment if we are going to do that though.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Aug 15, 2021 11:55:44 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely bring back the middle host segment.
I'm generally ok with culling the boring, if its redundant boring. If there's four identical 5-minute driving scenes, its ok to get rid of 1 or maybe 2 of them and trim down another to like 2.5 minutes.
But egregious trimming JUST for the sake of trimming is a huge no-no. The finale "loop" scene from Time Travelers should NOT have been cut. The 2-5 seconds between credits at the beginning of Starcrash...that edit was so distracting and unnecessary. The full McDonald's dance scene from Mac and Me for crying out loud! One of the most bizarre, famous scenes from that film SHOULD NOT have been cut down the way it was. That's the kind of editing I do not want them doing anymore.
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