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Post by demoniclambertobava on Mar 3, 2022 20:42:25 GMT -5
What reason would they possibly have for wanting a limited viewership? Specifically, what? Besides potential technical snafus with the stream, where they've openly admitted long ago that backers at that level are 'beta testing' the new app and process. Like, if you think the show is not going to be up to par and they're trying to hide it, then say it.
I may not personally agree with making the premiere backer-only but I can understand their reasoning, given the amount of money invested in it by backers at that level (myself included). As kracker notes, this kind of exclusive or early access is not at all uncommon for KS. I also don't think there's any indication the passes outlined won't be offered in future.
I'm a pretty pragmatic and at times skeptical or cynical person. If I wanted to approach the revival from the position that everything they do is suspect and not kosher, I could do that. Thus far I've not had reason to. Not several years ago with the first KS, not last year, not now. Do I agree with every move they've made? No. But do I think they've failed to deliver or sold a bill of goods? No, not yet. For me, for now, they've made good on their promises and delivered a product I enjoyed. Now they're in uncharted territory and doing things on a new platform which is untested, and we'll see how it goes. I take these things as they come, and I do that in part by watching the product they put out. But that's me. YMMV.
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Post by kracker on Mar 3, 2022 20:55:03 GMT -5
Why would they announce the Season Premiere publicly, at the end of the 2021 Turkey Day marathon, if it was only ever intended for backers? If it was a reward promised only to backers, they wouldn't have sold yearly Gizmoplex passes to the general public, and advertised them on Twitter and Facebook. I can understand it being available ONLY to Gizmoplex subscribers, but they also told people they would be able to buy daily Guest passes or monthly passes to the Gizmoplex. There are plenty of people who don't want to get locked into a yearly sub, or who don't have the money for it, who can afford a $10 or $15 event pass for the premiere and would want to buy one. MST3K is leaving money on the table by not selling tickets to the premiere event - unless there's a reason WHY they want a limited viewership. But back to the main reason why I'm even responding to you: Show me where, in the Kickstarter or the updates, it was stated that the premiere was BACKER ONLY (and $35+ backer only) before the January 31, 2022 update. You're missing the point, it's not whether they stated it was backer only or not. They have no obligation to make the reward public, its whether they promised to make it public. Show me whether they necessarily stated the premiere would be public to everyone. They didn't? Then they have no obligation. And they wouldnt because their concern is getting the reward to backers, the people actually paying because they believe in the project. And really it doesnt matter since, if you are a backer, the promise doesn't affect you. Also we've already went over, if you bought one of the passes post-KS, you're a backer. It's the same if you had pledged the reward during the KS Also they announced the Premiere publicly, in fact they announced a lot of stuff publicly, so that public could still get a pass at MakeMoreMST3k.com
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Post by Megalon on Mar 3, 2022 21:32:05 GMT -5
I wonder if they just don't have time to implement premiere passes. I get the sense that they're working in overdrive as it is, and they simply can't do any more than what they're already doing. It's true that they're leaving money on the table, but it might also be true that we're lucky to even have a premiere tomorrow rather than having it pushed back another 1-2 months. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they had considered doing just that, but decided against it in favor of the current plan.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on Mar 4, 2022 3:48:37 GMT -5
I do think there's something to be said for a) beta testing the app with the backers and b) privileging the backers' buy-in with the early access to episodes. It would not be my choice for the premiere as a taste, but I think there's a fair amount of logic to it considering it's all DIY now.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 4, 2022 9:20:47 GMT -5
It's true that they're leaving money on the table, but it might also be true that we're lucky to even have a premiere tomorrow rather than having it pushed back another 1-2 months. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they had considered doing just that, but decided against it in favor of the current plan. My opinion / guess -- they realize that the majority of their audience is and will remain that core 35K people that were willing to give them $100+ not once but twice now for more MST3K, so it's better business to keep them happy than to worry about the larger public. Or in other words, private premier > delays for a wider audience.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 4, 2022 9:53:46 GMT -5
Throw a watch party for your friends, that's what I'm doing. And they don't have to pay 10 bucks. Or have a friend throw it and bring your Gizmoplex login. Also we're talking about backers here. The live premiere is part of a reward promised to backers, not the public. Another KS i recently backed was the new Vampire Hunter D graphic novel, which they are only making enough copies for backers, something they promised in order to encourage enough backers to fund the run. So when one of my friends asks where they can buy a copy, I have to tell them they had to back the KS. Same principle. I don't live in the state I grew up in. my close friends are 10 hours away... edit: but I hear ya.. this isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things and there are a lot of upsides to doing this. I actually think have backer only premieres for the first few episodes is a great idea... they should have made that decision early and made it part of the kickstarter rewards in the beginning. but it is what it is.. I just had to push back on ya a bit for saying non backers don't care about attending the premiere.
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Post by kracker on Mar 4, 2022 11:45:18 GMT -5
I'm sure they do now that its something to watch this weekend. I ran into someone just yesterday that was totally unaware the show was back. Also its the way you look at it, its not delayed for the public, its early access for backers.
Anyway, today's the day I finally allow myself to get excited over what will likely be the most scrutinized, poured over, and criticized episode of MST3K ever.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 4, 2022 11:57:51 GMT -5
Anyway, today's the day I finally allow myself to get excited over what will likely be the most scrutinized, poured over, and criticized episode of MST3K ever. haha.. reminds me of seeing the premiere of reptilicus in new york before Season 11 had come out.. I was so anxious about it being good and what others are gonna point out and not like that I couldn't relax and really enjoy it. I am glad I did the trip and went.. it was overall a great memory.. but I really hope that doesn't happen this time. I didn't have that issue with mac and me.. so we shall see. I'm more worried about the stream working well. If that goes ok I think I'll be able to relax. Honestly not being on a network that can cancel the show has been really liberating as a fan.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 4, 2022 12:46:16 GMT -5
I'm more worried about the stream working well. If that goes ok I think I'll be able to relax. This. To anyone that was a beta tester, have they done any streams or watchalongs in the actual gizmoplex yet that had 30Kish simultaneous viewers*? *i typed 'viewers' wrong and it autocorrected to 'wieners' and I almost left it. hehe
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Post by kracker on Mar 4, 2022 12:55:21 GMT -5
that's indeed a huge concern, if we are going to overload the server tonight, might even be the most viewers the Gizmoplex will ever have. Let's just hope by now these streaming services know how to handle that.
this will probably be the only time i ever do the livestream thing instead of just watching later in the night.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on Mar 4, 2022 18:14:49 GMT -5
The final night of the first KS livestream crashed pretty epically and people still had fun with it. I expect issues sooner or later with a startup so the stream isn't nearly as important to me as the product being deliverable to watch, be it live or solo.
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Post by Megalon on Mar 4, 2022 19:26:04 GMT -5
Almost everything uses AWS for servers these days. I don't think the Gizmoplex is at all likely to crash, but technical difficulties during the pre-show are certainly possible, if not probable (q.v. Murphy's Law).
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Post by kracker on Mar 4, 2022 20:05:28 GMT -5
.....and now we have technical difficulties lol
was funny to have Joel come on and say "now you show you what we did with the money" and a large white dot just appears on the screen
if the chat is any indictor of how many people are on (trying to see if everyone is having the same issue), its going so fast and cant even read it. I just catch an occasional "MITCHELL!!"
On screen messages on the livestream are popping up though and they assure its not because of server load.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Jul 27, 2023 15:10:34 GMT -5
I decided today to wallow in nostalgia and go back and read this thread from the beginning, when we were speculating in September 2021 what would happen...
Some of us were a lot more accurate in our predictions than others. Especially about Season 14 having to rely on a Kickstarter for funding vs. the money just rolling in from the Gizmoplex, so much so that they were going to be able to start Season 14 production while Season 13 was premiering.
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Post by BoB3K on Jul 28, 2023 11:32:20 GMT -5
I think, at this point, Joel has demonstrated a definable pattern, and it's not going to change.
It's a bummer too; my view of him as a creator and a person has dropped a lot in the last 5 or so years. Luckily, I've been able to put that aside and still enjoy him as the sleepy-eyed cow-town host when I throw an old ep of seasons K through 5 on.
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