|
Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 18, 2021 15:47:09 GMT -5
I found out today that the MST3K Season 13 production is only non-union for the craft workers, the IATSE. The production is registered with SAG-AFTRA as a union production, #00516898, under the New Media Special Agreement. So the SAG-AFTRA actors get full union wages and benefits. It's not strictly a lie to tell the backers in the last update that they are "a fully non-union shoot", but it's not strictly true, either, and they didn't specify that "non-union" ONLY applied to IATSE. It's one of those partial truths that have infuriated me in both this Kickstarter and the last one, and that I get called a hater for pointed out when I find them. But this is why I cannot trust what is said in those updates at face value. "There are several reasons for that. We’re a fully non-union shoot, and have no IATSE crew – which means no one involved would be affected by a strike. In addition, our shooting locations on both coasts are not on union backlots, or in facilities that are likely to have picket lines, which means our cast ( who are members of SAG-AFTRA and would not want to cross picket lines) won’t be affected either. And – most important – our production already adheres to all of the terms that IATSE is pushing for, and are abiding by all of the labor adjustments they are hoping to negotiate in their new contract." Context for others around here: This is exactly what was said about it. They mentioned the cast were SAG members but used the words 'fully non-union shoot' in reference to the crew. I read that differently. "We're a fully non-union shoot" is the first clause which to me means exactly that - no unions are represented in the shoot. The second clause "We have no IATSE crew" means just that, as well. The 'and' hooking those clauses together means "in addition to, together with, along with." So "We're a fully non-union shoot AND we have no IATSE crew" links two SEPARATE ideas together, to me; they said "We're a fully non-union shoot IN ADDITION TO having no IATSE crew." Yes, they specified the cast was SAG-AFTRA, but they did NOT say that the SHOOT (the production) was being made under the auspices of the SAG-AFTRA union agreement. They very specifically said the SHOOT was non-union AND the crew was non-union and no, they do not mean the same thing the way that sentence was written. If it's my fault for reading what they said as opposed to what they INTENDED to say, then sure, I'm guilty. But reading the new MST3K forum, I'm not the only person who read it that way.
|
|
|
Post by dudehitscar on Oct 18, 2021 16:11:12 GMT -5
"There are several reasons for that. We’re a fully non-union shoot, and have no IATSE crew – which means no one involved would be affected by a strike. In addition, our shooting locations on both coasts are not on union backlots, or in facilities that are likely to have picket lines, which means our cast ( who are members of SAG-AFTRA and would not want to cross picket lines) won’t be affected either. And – most important – our production already adheres to all of the terms that IATSE is pushing for, and are abiding by all of the labor adjustments they are hoping to negotiate in their new contract." Context for others around here: This is exactly what was said about it. They mentioned the cast were SAG members but used the words 'fully non-union shoot' in reference to the crew. I read that differently. "We're a fully non-union shoot" is the first clause which to me means exactly that - no unions are represented in the shoot. The second clause "We have no IATSE crew" means just that, as well. The 'and' hooking those clauses together means "in addition to, together with, along with." So "We're a fully non-union shoot AND we have no IATSE crew" links two SEPARATE ideas together, to me; they said "We're a fully non-union shoot IN ADDITION TO having no IATSE crew." Yes, they specified the cast was SAG-AFTRA, but they did NOT say that the SHOOT (the production) was being made under the auspices of the SAG-AFTRA union agreement. They very specifically said the SHOOT was non-union AND the crew was non-union and no, they do not mean the same thing the way that sentence was written. If it's my fault for reading what they said as opposed to what they INTENDED to say, then sure, I'm guilty. But reading the new MST3K forum, I'm not the only person who read it that way. I hear ya. I sure read it that way at first. I was curious about that and looked it up. This is from the union website: "What is Global Rule One? Global Rule One states: No member shall render any services or make an agreement to perform services for any employer who has not executed a basic minimum agreement with the union, which is in full force and effect, in any jurisdiction in which there is a SAG-AFTRA national collective bargaining agreement in place. This provision applies worldwide. Simply put, a SAG-AFTRA member must always work under a union contract around the globe." Unless I am missing something... having SAG members as part of the cast guarantees they are working under an agreement with the SAG union.
|
|
|
Post by Diet Kolos on Oct 18, 2021 16:49:54 GMT -5
I'm going to repeat my prior statement that whether union or non-union, if it all costs the same anyways, it's a moot point and really, really doesn't matter one way or the other. And at this point its just splitting hairs.
|
|
|
Post by kracker on Oct 19, 2021 1:51:01 GMT -5
So, no news on the Gizmoplex. I'm thinking it's pretty certain we won't hear anything before turkey day. what is the most recent date given? did they ever give a date? I notice pretty much all the KS rewards say June 2022, even the all digital ones, so they gave themselves ample buffer room there. During the live streams it was asked and they answered: December/January. I'm assuming they are holding all Gizmoplex news for Turkey Day Also assuming that summer 2022 deadline was a 'worst case scenario' date
|
|
|
Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 22, 2021 15:07:24 GMT -5
This Week's Update 10/22:
- Filming for Emily's episodes is completed, on schedule and on budget - MJ (called Pearl in the update) was supposed to film scenes with Rebecca and Yvonne (called Synthia and Mega-Synthia) but instead will be filming in LA next month - Pictures of the set, and working in and around the set - Turkey Day Episode Tournament voting - New tour dates for Mesa, Reno, Youngstown, and Atlanta - Promo for RiffTrax Live Amityville 4 show next week
Nothing on the Gizmoplex but supposedly an update on Gizmoplex development and Kickstarter rewards is coming next week.
|
|
|
Post by kracker on Oct 29, 2021 19:54:22 GMT -5
Update dropped and no Gizmoplex news. But they did say there will be some details before Turkey Day. also mentioned backers will be able to volunteer for beta testing.
Production stuff: editing and post has begun already. All shooting will wrap with the Feb block after the tour.
|
|
|
Post by Megalon on Oct 29, 2021 20:50:53 GMT -5
I'm not expecting any significant news until Turkey Day. I'm guessing that's when they'll tell us the expected premiere date, even if it's as vague as "later this year" or "early next year."
|
|
|
Post by BoB3K on Oct 30, 2021 12:22:33 GMT -5
There was a lot of talk during the KS about how this season would be different and releasing one ep at a time, but now here we are, they are giving progress updates, and it's really not that hard to see that they are still producing the show the same way as before.
So, here's where some guesswork comes in. Even though they will be releasing these one at a time, they will all be done (or mostly done) before that. The reasons are right there in the update. So, they've shot all 4 eps of footage for Emily et al. Those are NOT going to be eps 1-4. And then add in that the Mads parts aren't filmed at all and like last time will be filmed all at once during Shoot 2. Then Add in the talk of episode long arcs being woven in.
Put all that together and there might not be the first ep done and released until after Shoot 3 in mid Feb.
Although, it does look like they're sticking to schedules pretty well, I wouldn't be surprised if the the Gizmoplex doesn't release the first ep until sometime in mid March.
The cynical person might actually look at all this and come to the conclusion that there will be no improvements over the last few seasons and the only thing that is actually changing is the release schedule, mainly so they have a reason to sell people a year subscription to a streaming service with nothing more than a single season of a single show -- by releasing that season slowly over the whole year.
|
|
|
Post by Megalon on Oct 30, 2021 13:16:31 GMT -5
There was a lot of talk during the KS about how this season would be different and releasing one ep at a time, but now here we are, they are giving progress updates, and it's really not that hard to see that they are still producing the show the same way as before. So, here's where some guesswork comes in. Even though they will be releasing these one at a time, they will all be done (or mostly done) before that. The reasons are right there in the update. So it would seem, though I would like to believe otherwise. I wish someone would ask Joel and get a straight answer. The worst-case scenario is that the whole season will be produced before the first episodes airs, which seems more than possible given what we've learned so far. But I'm hoping at least some of the episodes will be produced after the first episode airs.
|
|
|
Post by Diet Kolos on Oct 30, 2021 14:44:55 GMT -5
It SOUNDS like there are 4 shoots scheduled. The first one in Philadelphia with the touring cast. The 2nd in early November in LA with the Netflix cast and Mads. A third in LA in early December with the Netflix cast and Mads. And a fourth with the touring cast early next year.
I don't recall the details 100%, but there's 13 episodes. Joel is hosting 2 episodes. There'll be 1 special episode with all 3 hosts. So that leaves 5 episodes with the Netflix cast and 5 with the touring cast.
So something like.
Netflix cast episodes: 1301, 1303, 1306, 1308, 1311 Tour cast episodes: 1302, 1304, 1307, 1309, 1312 Joel episodes: 1305, 1310 Everyone special: 1313
Let's assume the 1st completed shoot will be the first 2 or 3 tour cast episodes, minus the Mads bits. The upcoming LA shoot is the first 2 or 3 Netflix cast episodes plus most of the Mads bits. The December shoot is the rest of the Netflix cast episodes and maybe the Joel episodes. The 2022 shoot is the rest of the tour episodes and the special.
So hypothetically, they could edit together the first few tour cast episodes by the end of this upcoming shoot, plus the first few Netflix episodes. So up to episode 1304 by the beginning of December. Have Joel's 2 episodes done by the end of December.
They COULD launch and start premiering episodes by January if the Gizmoplex is ready by then AND still technically be shooting the last few tour cast eps and special by the time new episodes are airing.
Its still...a mess. And its certainly not one-at-a-time like they were advertising during the KS. BUT, it doesn't look like everything NEEDS to be or even will be finished before the first episode goes live.
|
|
|
Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 6, 2021 12:58:01 GMT -5
Was there no update this week?
|
|
|
Post by kracker on Nov 6, 2021 13:02:16 GMT -5
apparently not unless its coming today.
nothing new to report anyway: tour kick-off, LA shoot starting, still keeping quiet about the Gizmoplex
|
|
|
Post by majorjoe23 on Nov 6, 2021 15:52:04 GMT -5
Lesley posted this in the Kickstarter comments yesterday:
An update update: just a quick note to say that Ivan and I have been juggling a lot this week, and as a result our regular Friday update will be going out on Saturday instead. We appreciate your patience!
|
|
|
Post by BoB3K on Nov 8, 2021 12:39:26 GMT -5
He did post one on saturday. no news really but he did say this --
PREPARING FOR TURKEY DAY: Finally, our post-production team has been hard at work editing all of the new segments that will appear in this year’s MST3K Turkey Day Marathon, including a very special surprise. More details on that in next week’s update!
-- which may be the first official news that there will be new shot segments for Turkey day. (I think we all new there would be.) And then of course the "very special surprise", which you notice they didn't say news or update, so very possibly just a fun cameo by an old MST3K alumn, maybe mike...probably not.
|
|
|
Post by majorjoe23 on Nov 8, 2021 14:44:41 GMT -5
They had talked about filming Turkey Day segments with this group during this batch of filming.
Since jonah was directing these episodes, and during one of the updates we saw Jonah's yellow jacket hanging with other costumes in a photo, I'm assuming he'll be a a guest for the Turkey Day segments.
|
|